I've got it!

Ireland **** in bag, but it outside your door, lit it on fire, rang the doorbell, then ran away.

 

LBsFinest, a legend in his own mind...

 

Yep, that is the tale of our mediocrity, we passed on impact guys to take "..3 yr starters who played in a major conference.." types.

Looking back, the one gem from that draft, Reshad Jones, was only there b/c he surprised everyone by declaring early for the draft and was thought to be to young (iirc he was 20 when drafted) to be taken with a high pick.

This is one of the reasons why the last 2 drafts have built more confidence in me about Ireland, in 2010 no way we move up to take an elite type talent ala Dion Jordan.

 

Dude. I appreciate the consistency of your message, but you need to learn the art of timing.

 

The only pick that really stings for me is Misi. Gronkowski had so much value there and we needed a TE. Given his blocking ability, he was Such a perfect fit. Without that back injury, kid would of played big and became a first rounder.

Another guy I wanted of a similar mold (talented but derailed by injury) Tank Carradine. Tank in round 2 at pick 40 was such great value. If we didn't trade up with for Jordan, I would have loved to have traded up in round 2 for him.

 

Thing is, we've consistently been "the team that missed drafting him" for a decade.

For the last 2 drafts we've finally broken type and went with athletes, not "system fits" (Saban) not high concept guys (Mueller) and not "3 yr starters" (Parcells) but guys who can run well and play football.

Put it this way, 8th pick in the draft, we took THill, he of the 19 starts, no way that would've happened under previous regimes.

 

Not really. There is really nothing to respond to. We missed out on a lot of good players. We know this.

 

There's a resistance to criticism, that's true. But you can definitely use some work on your timing and such.

 

The problem is their futures may have changed being in Miami because of scheme, talent, locker room factors, etc. Gronk would be better in NE than MIA, but he still would be good. Why? he has Brady throwing the ball, and other weapons to look out for, versus nobody that SCARES you tbh.

 

....then his mother answered and ruined a perfectly good pair of shoes.

 

Gronk would of been great anywhere. He's a freakish athlete and un-coverable. Having a QB like Brady may have increased his statistical output, but he would still be ballin' with any of the other 31 teams.

Also, of the list mentioned, I would point out that as talented as Dez Bryant is, he has a permanent baby sitter after a strip club incidents and trying to kill his mother... I love his talent, but I would be scared to death of what comes next. Even if he is the 2nd best in the game, right now.

 

The stinger for me was us being enamored with Jimmy Graham but Parcells refusing to pull the trigger b/c he undervalues receiving tight ends and decided he'd wait till the 4th round even though he was advised by a scout to use a 2nd or 3rd on him.

Following the draft Parcells called Sean Payton to say, “You got a heck of a football player, we were going to draft him.”

Thanks Bill! :up:​

 

Safe to say Bill and THAT philosophy set our team back 3-4 years...rather Jeff agreed then or not he certainly isn't following that aged blueprint anymore.

 

As for the 2010 Draft, you're supposed to be able to accurately judge a draft after 3 years but we're still not able to because there's a sense that one shoe hasn't yet dropped on Jared Odrick.

Reshad Jones is a clear victory. You're supposed to get about two of those per draft and then that is a successful draft. If Jared Odrick just isn't really doing it at DT and he goes off elsewhere as a free agent, or even if he stays but he's somewhere between a mediocre starter to a backup, then you'd have to say 2010 is an unsuccessful draft.

 

I do wonder though of the people in this thread that clearly tend to place some blame from that draft on Bill Parcells, how many of them have been out there crediting Jeff Ireland with finding Reshad Jones?

 

Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. That is all.

 

Hindsight's a b-tch.

There are 163 players in that draft that were drafted that I did not include on my draft board, yet I don't regret a single one of those omissions. Some of them have maybe played a little here and there, like I said nothing I look at and say damn I wish I'd recognized that guy.

But there are definitely about 20 players that have played really well that I didn't include amongst the ~70 players that were drafted off my favorites board...and I do regret them. They include Trent Williams, Russell Okung, Joe Haden, Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, T.J. Ward, LaMarr Houston, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Golden Tate, Jared Veldheer, Eric Decker, Tony Moeaki, Everson Griffin, Alterraun Verner, Aaron Hernandez, Reshad Jones, Marshall Newhouse, Antonio Brown and Stevie Brown.

The guys who never really did anything that were drafted off my favorites board include Brandon Ghee, Kevin Thomas, C.J. Wilson, Larry Asante, Doug Worthington, Jerry Hughes, Thaddeus Gibson, Dekoda Watson, A.J. Edds, Dexter Davis, Austin Spitler, Charles Brown, Kyle Callaway, Mike Kafka, Levi Brown, Anthony Dixon, Dorin Dickerson, Arrelious Benn, Dexter McCluster and Taylor Price.

That's a big bowl of regret, right there.

Luckily that leaves about 51 out of 71 players that I'm glad I had on the favorites board, one way or another. I'll take that.

 

Jerry Hughes was certainly a draft darling around here, can't say he didnt LOOK the part. Some things are just unexplainable.

 

Larry English... Pissass..

 

Wanted Brandon graham in the that draft, it's taken him a little while to figure out how to be a pro and take of your body but it looks like he's on the brink of stardom.

 

The biggest regrets for me with that draft in terms of guys I put on the board that went pretty high and they just ended up sucking...none bigger than Jerry Hughes I think, but also Charles Brown, Arrelious Benn and Dexter McCluster. Learning experiences. The others were kind of low round guys although the Patriots drafted Taylor Price too high which is kind of their norm nowadays.

 

I don't know who's responsible for Reshad. I'm just glad we drafted him.

 

I don't think the ole two for one netting us Odrick and Misi look all that bad comparatively speaking.

 

yeah i remember something like this

 

Considering at that spot the Dolphins traded down from the most popular choices around these parts were Dez Bryant, Brandon Graham and Earl Thomas...I dunno. Would you rather have Misi and Odrick than one of those?

 

Passing on Gronk for Misi was just bad. Gronk was first round talent the question mark was his back.

 

My simuldraft that year (according to the spreadsheet I dug up) had us taking Brandon Graham, Jimmy Graham, Kam Chancellor, Cam Thomas, Dekoda Watson, C.J. Wilson and John Estes.

That's a lot of "ams". Graham, Graham, Kam and Cam. Damn. LOL.

 

I remember that year, all senior bowl guys, captains at good schools etc. Good stuff, really panned out lol

Oh well, you live and you learn.

 

I wonder though of the people in this thread that don't think Ireland was forced to follow Parcells' blueprint and philosophy, how many of them can explain the difference the past two years?

 

What the hell ever happened to Dekoda Watson, by the way? I really thought that guy was going to be pretty good.

 

Joe Philbin

 

You mean Ireland is following a different philosophy and blueprint? Shocking.