I wish he was at the top of "our" board [pouts]

 

Well if it makes you feel better sometimes the players you dont hear about a team having interest in are the player the team picks

 

That is kindve what I am hoping for Adam. I could see this as Parcells actaully playing his poker hand very tightly. You know, show interest in everybody you ARENT actually interested in just to keep them guessing and possibly spark a trade.

IF he shows up healthy, I dont know how he COULDNT still be in the running for the #1 overall..:yes:



EDIT: Everytime I see your posts Adam, I think you are BAXTER :lol:

 

I didnt even realize someone had the same avatar until I saw him post. Confused the hell out of me:unsure: Maybe I'll switch my avatar

 

I think wwe are pretty locked on take a Chris Long or Jake Long. But I would not mind use pick Glenn Dorsey pick either of the three would be a good pick

 

This is interesting if he shoots up the Rams board. They said they dont believe in taking DT's high. Kinda makes you wonder if it could be a smokescreen but for what?

 

I'm still holding out for Dorsey, though I would not complain if we landed Chris Long.

 

I can understand why a lot of you want Miami to take Glenn Dorsey. I believe he's one of the two true #1 type picks in this draft.

However, you cannot justify drafting him and miscasting him in a 3-4 defense. At 6'1", 297 lbs, he is neither a nose tackle nor a defensive end in the 3-4 formation. To put him in a two gap, 3-4 scheme, you would be going directly away from his best attributes. Glenn Dorsey is a guy who can control a gap and penetrate into the backfield. He's an explosive player. He's not a guy you put in a scheme that has him stacking and shedding at the line, controlling two gaps as opposed to penetrating one gap and getting into the backfield.

 

KB, can you tell me why he is miscast as a 3-4 end? Is it the height? He has the weight, but I guess the height would not be beneficial for getting in the way of passing lanes. Given his ability to anchor, hold and shed against the run as well as rather impressive pash rushing abilities, I would figure he could definitely do well in a 3-4 formation on one of the ends.

 

I'd be happy with Dorsey or Chris Long at #1 or trading down. If anything else happens on draft day, I'll be extremely skeptical. I think Dorsey is probably the best player in this draft, but I have questions about how he would fit into our defense. That's a lot of money to invest in a guy who may not fit the 3-4. Picking the #1 overall, you better select a guy that you're 100% about.

 

KB21 --good to see you here. Does anyone think that st. lou would trade picks with us to get chris long? the money would be close...just and extra pick or so

 

I actually talked about this with a poster on FH last month. I did a breakdown based on the Draft Value Chart, here it was:
"
First Ovrl Pick - 3000
Scd Ovrl Pick- 2600

Total Diff. - 400 points

400 Pts = 18th overall pick in SECOND round.

But they have the second pick so they would have to give us the following to make it equal value:

Swap First rounders
Round 3 pick - Value - 260
Round 4 pick - Value - 108
Round 5 pick - Value - 42
= 410 points

It would be a little over but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do.

Link to Draft Value Chart: http://www.theredzone.org/2006/draft...valuechart.asp "



I thought that was what they had to give but RUDEbyallMEANS told me that a third would be enough to swap picks. He said that "many teams don't necessarily use the trade value chart. It's very unrealistic for the Rams to give up their 1,3,5 and 5 to move up one spot."

Again credit goes to RUDEbyallMEANS of FH on the answer.

 

Dorsey is my favorite and although CK thumps me with the payday realities, I still want him. I think he wrecks whatever gap you want to put him in and I'm not one bit worried about "where" to play him.

 

and here is a perfect example of a guy that is a little undersized, barely........and is dominant as a player as there is in college football dropping down the boards because of uncertainty.... Take away the injury and he is a solid top 3 pick, possible number one. WE all know what he can do, so this will all be about his "injury" I will be watching and listening closely.

 

If healthy he is the best Defensive player on the board, period. Chris long gives a defense flexibilty due to his ability, but won't dominate at the pro-level for a couple of years. Dorsey would dominate day 1.

 

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you may be right, but I think you are under estimating him. There are exceptions to every position. Zach comes to mind. Too little, right? Bottom line he is a football player that is strong and powerful(Dorsey) its all about the injury right now. His game speed is intense as there is. The mere speculation of being injury prone is the downfall on his status. A few Defensive co-ords wouldn't hesitate to line him head up in the 3-4 scheme. He could play zero or eagle in a 3-4 or whatever you want to call nose tackle, but will his knee give him longevity in the league ? . Will you pay$$$ to bet on it? Miami, probably not.
If I am Miami, i watch this closely, but at 6'1" tall, knee questions and a bit small.....I would pass being to afraid of losing the salary and pick for years to come. So in you may be right KB(HA....KB?) Healthy, he is going number 1.

 

I think a player that Glenn is very comparable to is Dewayne Robertson with the Jets. We are seeing now, four years after the fact, that Dewayne was miscast in the 3-4 defense. When he came out of Kentucky, he had a lot of ability, and now he is considered a bust because he was miscast in a defense.

I don't doubt that Glenn has the ability to stack and shed and play two gaps, but I believe that by putting him in that position, he will not be doing what he does best, and he will also not make the type of impact on the game that the #1 pick will demand. As a 3-4 defensive end or nose tackle, Glenn Dorsey will not be a major pass rusher. That will not be one of his responsibilities.

Conversely, by taking Chris Long with the 1st pick, the Dolphins will be taking the other guy that I believe is a #1 type of pick in this draft, and he fits the scheme. He's making a position change, but I do not believe it will take him long to get acclimated to the new position. It's a position that Al Groh said Chris would have played at Virginia if they had different circumstances with their personnel.

The thing I see with Chris Long is that it is obvious that he has the ability to stand up and play in space. Despite the fact that they played him as a 34 defensive end at Virginia, he was playing out of a two point stance and dropping into coverage a lot. Not only did Chris Long collect 79 tackles on the year with 14 sacks, 19 tackles for loss, and 23 quarterback hurries, he also knocked down 9 passes on the year. A lot of that is because he is such an instinctual player and understands when to get his hands up and bat down passes.

Chris Long also has the best hand usage of any defensive lineman I have watched play recently. This guy is a football player.

 

Gosh I can't stand the 34. Most of what we'd call 34 teams run more 5-2 anyway, especially the Patriots.

 

Chris, two gap? What are you reading bro? Good job, and I cannot disagree with you at all. You are in the majority. The best pick for Miami is CHRIS LONG. I will spell it out in my analysis, but I have done a 180 on him. As long as they negotiate a 5 yr deal. I like McFadden,but no way they take him. He needs the right offense. Bad yr for qb's! I don't think Ryan will be a bust, he is a 50/50 for a real games,but not a 1.since myfilm study I have seern the light! I want CHRIS LONG, if picking lower than 5 , its another story

 

from my I phone its hard to type , sorry! I am out on the town two days after the flu and the beer is smooth! I am outwith Charles Oakley! He can pound em!

 

Have fun!

 

Dolphins | Team to meet with Dorsey Tuesday
Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:11:00 -0700

John Murphy, of Yahoo Sports, reports the Miami Dolphins will meet with Louisiana State DT Glenn Dorsey Tuesday, March 25.


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NFL | Dorsey to do full workout Wednesday
Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:50:21 -0700

John Murphy, of Yahoo Sports, reports Louisiana State DT Glenn Dorsey will perform a full workout for scouts, coaches and general managers at the school's Pro Day Wednesday, March 25.

 

Anybody got the pro day numbers?

Edit: NVM, the above post is wrong. Wed is March 26th not 25th. I only paid attention to the number.