Would like to say I am shocked - but not anymore.....this sucks (all the PED use) for Baseball...it really does.

 

Its legit:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

 

Someone better keep Sam away from tall buildings.

I wonder what kind of PED it was.

 

Im not shocked by this news but The Dodgers are in the NL West with a good young line up. I think they'll survive the 50 games without Manny but we'll see what happens.

 

They're done. Manny was the big piece in that lineup, the one hitter they've been missing the last few years. Without him, they are an average offense at best.

 

this is insane. it hurts my fantasy team a ton, but i have no tolerence for PEDs...just crazy...

 

This is interesting for sure. I wonder what exactly he tested positive for. I do have to question if this is karma hitting the Dodgers now.

 

Bwahahahaha

 

The Dodgers were on the brink of running away with the division, literally sealing it up by August, this is not helpful for them.

And I liked Manny as a character, it's a pity that this has happened, I was naive enough to think he was the last "clean" and good player.

 

lol @ baseball

 

Why would it be Karma?

Because they are out-paying other teams for their best players? Nothing the Yankees, Cubs and Red Sox haven't been doing for quite some time.....well, not as much the BoSox the last season or 2 I guess

 

Good point, but Im willing to bet they're not in first place when he returns.

 

What is there to like about him as a character? Sure, its a pleasure to watch him hit on a daily basis, but the guy is a dog.

I'm sure Tito, Theo, Larry and the rest of the Red Sox FO are laughing hysterically this afternoon.

 

As soon as Albert Pujols is caught, we can finally put all this steroids non-sense behind us.

 

"Why didnt you eliminate them Albert"...(shut up).......LOL

 

well my fantasy team just took a major hit

 

whata ****ing joke

 

Just saw this. Not cool to say the least. It probably shouldn't surprise anyone anymore at this junction.

The right thing for Manny to do is to sit and take his medicine, well, maybe NOT take his medicne.

 

I've actually been saying Albert was on them for years. Look at his picture in his rookie season compared to now.

Rookie Year



Now




These pics don't even do it justice. But you can see how much bigger he's gotten.

 

Geez, is there anyone clean anymore????!!:pity:

 

This is just "Manny being Manny"...surprised no one has said that until now.

Seriously though its sad because literally this whole generation of hitters are more than likely all shams and the one's who aren't will always be suspected (I had the same thoughts as you Hardkore about Pujols and maybe even Ken Griffey Jr. which I doubt but who knows anymore). Of course there will be the arguments by some, especially on ESPN, that this isn't a big deal because who knows what pitchers were taking, it still takes talent to hit the ball, who knows what the old players were on, and some things that are banned now weren't 10 years ago, etc. The fact is, however, that any player in my eyes who ever took steroids knew what they were doing was wrong and were cheating their fellow players and the fans who followed them and their records. For me it doesn't matter who all was doing it, just the fact that they did it is enough. Asterisks abound in other words for me and it seems Hall of Fame voters agree. It's sad but true and I would say the same things if steroids "become public and provable" in the NFL including Dolphins players.

/rant

 

griffey and chipper jones I think are clean..........................
Fred McGriff I think was clean.
Theres still some out there I think that played clean.

 

“Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me,” Ramirez said in a statement issued by the players’ union. “Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.”

 

AROD is jumping up and down with a smile on his face as the NEWS hounds shift focus.....

 

you sure?

 

Karma in the sense that Manny threw his last year with Boston and when he went to LA was a hitting god and no one on the left coast cared what he pulled, not that I blame then. I figured Manny would have took a month or so off this year because that's what he does anyway the past 3 years.

Also Gammons and a few others are saying its not steroids.

And two with these pictures, there's always going to be a difference in what 20 year old looks like and what 37 year old does. As someone who has seen Manny without his baggy uniform on you'd never think he took steroids.

 

He was a entertaining character.

 

Like I said Lucky some are clean but there will always be some doubt in people now about any of the great players from the late 1980s onward (especially the HR leaders). Maybe even some of the great teams of the time such as the 90s Braves. :wink2:

Edit: Read an SI article and two of the major home run hitters from the steroid era besides Ken Griffey Jr. are Frank Thomas and Jim Thome both of which are fairly large guys and have had miraculous comeback seasons before. Another strange occurrence.

 

Naw, we never had any big-time Home Run guys in the 90's. Andres Galarraga and McGriff were the only real sluggers (besides Chipper) on those teams.

The only guy we had on juice was John Rocker.

 

Make the world a better place........

 

I know just trying to get under Lucky's skin a little. :yes:

 

If it is true and it's just a medication for health issue, I don't think the ban of that length is justified. We don't expect our players to have MD's or Pharm D's here. And having every single prescription being sent to the union for evaluation has gotta be ridiculous if you think about it. I'm pretty sure none of us have to report what we take to our employers. I know the league is trying to clamp down but sometimes it gets to be overkill, just like JC Romero's case.

Good thing he's only taking the Util spot on my fantasy rosters. Hopefully we can keep it going. Gotta get our pitchers back healthy though since the runs may not be as much as before.

 

I wouldn't say we were out-paying since usually this season we were the only bidders. No idea where the Karma comment comes in because Dodgers haven't done anything wrong...

And why am I thanking a D-Backs fan...:pity:

 

According to an article I read the guidelines are strictly laid out in the MLB's drug policy that what he took is a performance enhancing drug and in addition if a player is going to take a possibly banned drug they are supposed to contact the MLB first.

Here's what the article said:

Link to the full article:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/05/07/manny/index.html?bcnn=yes

 

showing someone in their rookie year as compared to today is not a good measure of steriods. getting the right weight training, training harder, and actually doing everything right is how these players get bigger.

i doubt you could pull up anyone that has hit 30 HRs in a season in their rookie season, and then much later in his career and their wouldnt be a difference.

btw, im not sure what you see in the pictures, but hes was legit big in his rookie season, and then he got bigger and fatter more importantly.