Charlie's about a month late. In our Club Draft thread here we've been talking up Davenport as our potential first round pick since beginning of December. :wink2:

Good draft talk in Club, Invid.

 

....48 pages of draft talk to be precise.
Anyone who loves the draft should really be in there. Better info and more accurate info than you'll get from WalterFootball, CBSDRAFT, Drafttek, NFLDraftCountdown, or any of those sites.

 

This is the guy I really want to be our first pick. I hope they're looking at him. I know we got Harris last year, but you can never have too many pass rushers.

 

No, I think you nailed it. You have to be careful about 'dreaming' on a guy playing at a lower level of talent, but if the combine and senior game shows he can, I would take him at 11. Unleashed violence personified.

It'd be great to move back in the round and add a pick, then take him, but we don't have that kind of luck. We'd move and the team that took 11 would take him.

 

Especially when you are towards the bottom of the league in sacks. Our pass rush is bad. One of the first 2 picks should be used there...the other on OL.

 

Yep.
This is what I'd like to see for the first three rounds, though it's early and they'll probably be rated to go higher by then.

Trade 1-10 to Buffalo for for 1-21 and 2-21

1-21 Marcus Davenport, Edge (We need another pass rusher)

2-10 Isiah Winn, G (Perfect zone blocking LG for us)

2-21 Deshon Elliot, FS (Ball Hawking FS, lets McDonald move to Hybrid, coverage problems solved)

3-10 DALLAS GOEDERT, TE

 

Im ok with 1.21 but the rest are picks i dont like at those slots. 2.10 id much rather go Billy Price or Frank Ragnow at 2.21 and im ok using 2 picks on the interior OL. Or we can look at a RB like Ronald Jones who i absolutely love. I really like Mark Andrews but if we want to wait til round 3 ian Thomas is a young Julius Thomas and he blocks and Troy Fumagali is a stud, reminds me of a Zach Ertz

 

Fumagali is a prototype TE imo. Hes a guy that can play. Andrews is that new kind of hybrid TE, an Evan Engram. Hes not quite as fast as Engram imo but he can really stretch the seam. Youre right on Fumagali, he wont be running a 4.4 anytime soon but the reason i compared him to Ertz is bevause he can use his height and body position to get open vertically. He will also be able to work the seem in the NFL but where as with Andrews itll likely be because of speed, with Fumagali itll be with frame and good routes.

 

Hurst is not in their class imo. He’s ready as a blocker, not as sure a receiver. I have him behind Andrews, Fumagalli and Ian Thomas

 

There's a fun TE from Northern Illinois named Shane Wimann. Kid really gets after it.

 

If Price or Ragnow are there, absolutely switch with Winn. I just don't see Price escaping the 1st round. I'd be fine with Fumagali, but like Goedert better.

With 4 high picks I'm just trying to address the 3 major needs: G, true FS to solve coverage problems, TE, while pretending to do BPA at #1 to get the DE/Edge I want.

Derwin James would be my pick if we stayed put at #11. But then you almost have to go best OL at 211, and by that time edge/DE is pretty depleted. I have two true FS I can grab in third round (not the hybrid because that will be Mcdonald) Elliot and Reid. Unless you have a Derwin James sleeper for me.

Wouldn't Jones basically be the same player as Drake? I think Scarbough at 4-11 or 4-28 compliments Drake better.

 

Trying to decide if Wimann's a sleeper TE. Love the kid as a football player. Gets after it as a blocker like I mentioned and does a nice job mirroring and turning out his targets; well balanced and decisive in that regard, like he has a wrestling background or something. Bet he could drive a blocking sled 60 yards w/o it fishtailing on him. Plays with some violence and a lot of fire and thoroughly enjoys finishing plays. Adept as a receiver, with a nice 20 yard burst. Sells his routes and can bend around LBs. Has the hands and ball skills to make plays. Might be a better athlete than he's given credit for. Is he quick and athletic enough to be a better blocking version of a Seth Devalve (Cleveland, 2016 4th round)?.... or is he big enough to effectively play inline? Definitely a player to monitor at the combine.

 

Price may drop because of short arms and cause interior OL generally don’t go round 1. I’d look for Price between 25-35 preliminarily, he’s just a very solid player, but he could fall to us. There are other prospects tho. Mason Cole can play LT or C (played both and performed well at Michigan) is a mid 2 to me. Ragnow is more of a true C, though he can play RG too. I see him as a late 2/early 3. Will Hernandez or Isiah Wynn wouldnt upset me in round 3 or 4.

Looking at TE’s I worry about awareness, level of competition, blocking with regards to Goedert. I’d really like more picks because I’d like 1 of Andrews, Fumagali, Ian Thomas or Giesecki and then come back late with one from Chris Herndon, Dimitri Flowers or Jeb Blazevich.

Jones is, to me, a better RB prospect then Barkley. I love him. He’s tough, he runs inside, he takes the 3 yards gains and falls forward every time while showing good speed and agility. I see him going day 2. He’s similar size wise but different type of runner then Drake. Scarborough could be ok late as could Royce Freeman. Also like Mark Walton a lot.

I want a QB or DE or Ol at 11. I like James but he’s not needed imo. Nor do I care for tweener types who could be a safety, Cb or Lb. Pick a position. It’s jack of all trades, master of none syndrome from where I sit

 

I absolutely love the route to start the clip. Crisp, sells it hard, nice tight angle, and then the acceleration out of the break to get behind both LBs. Christian McCaffrey level route.

 

So do I, but I'm trying to create a perfect draft for our needs based on how our FO and Gase see it. If it were up to me, I'd go all in on Mayfield if I could. If not, move down and try to pick up draft picks. I also hold the unique perception to try and draft the player you want at a half/round higher than you have them out. That way you get the player you want before a run on that position starts and you get left holding the bag.

I'm not against a good running back, the more weapons, the better and if can pound the rock take him. I'd rather use Drake more in open field to take advantage of his speed.

 

good stuff here, agree with all that...not sure you can be a better blocker at that position in this draft, he's excellent at it, maybe a replacement for Fasano.

he's listed at 6'4 250, if he runs under 4.8, he would be Fasanos replacement...good find bud.

 

why don't we have a prospects thread?

 

:dunno:

 

Davenport got abused at times at the senior bowl...

 

man, trying to figure out Marcus davenport is not easy for me...its like a bit of jeckyl and Hyde.

almost like his body, on one half {the upper body}, he's strong and violent and uses his upper body strength to his advantage all the time, his pop on contact is really good, and he uses the strength in his hands well.

his lower body is built Thin, especially his calves, and it scares the crap out of me...against better competition I see him lose leverage, I see everything become less violent...

 

He had a nice Thursday practice, along with a nice showing in the actual game today. It may be earlier in week he was thinking to much, and trying to process all the new coaching/techniques and etc....

One thing i did notice was once he started rushing in a 2 point stance on Thursday and on gameday, you could tell he was more comfortable doing that, and was pretty much unblockable.

 

This is an accurate and thorough way to look at his Senior Bowl week.

He struggled early on, especially in 1-on-1's. He admitted after the first day that the OLs got the better of him. Onlookers who had only seen him at UTSA against poor competition were disappointed. That became the narrative.

First impressions, unfortunately, have a way of sticking with people, and then they fail to update those impressions with new information.

The new information was that as the week of practice got on, he got better, and by the END of the week, during team drills he had 2 sacks and 1 hurry, which is 3 pressures on 24 pass rush snaps, and no other defensive player on either squad had more than one sack in team drills. His final numbers in the 1-on-1's were 8 snaps, 3 of which he "won" according to the PFF analysts compiling the data off the coach tape of practice.

On balance, he had a good week. But that's not what you hear people like DJ and others say when they talk about Davenport's week of practice. Not even after he killed it during the game itself.

Because like I said, that first impression sticks, and people don't update their first impressions with new information.

 

Might be a good thing. Tankersley fell to the third round due to the meme that he was a terrible tackler who didn't try.

 

I think that happens a lot. I see claims like "Landry is a poor route runner" or "Tannehill can't throw deep" and they're just inaccurate. They were true statements at one point, but if you're still repeating that then you're living in the past. I look at the Davenport practices and I see that development, those adjustments, as a positive. I want players who adapt and learn. If you want a smart team then you should be looking for players who show improvement. That suggests they're intelligent, listening to their coaches and working on their craft. Those are three traits I want to see. I can see people disagreeing about whether or not Davenport shows elite skills. That's very subjective. But I don't see how somebody can honestly fail to acknowledge that he was much better in the later practices and the game. Frankly, I think it was pretty clear that he was the best DL there by the end of the week and in the game.

 

I didn't see the last practice nor the game..

I want to like the guy, I've said that its a bit jecklyl and Hyde and not an easy eval for me..

there is a consistent thing that happened with him in college, he dominates lesser competition and doesn't with better..

I worry about that and I worry about his lower body build..

I also don't see def end as the priority on this team..

so for those reasons I said I'm put at 11.

if he's the next Demarcus ware then I missed, but there's to many risks from personally to take at 11...I want safe..

 

what both of you are insinuating is incorrect...I Didn't not want to acknowledge his progression at the senior bowl practice, I just didn't see it..

I've watched a lot of his reps to say what I did, of course its all fluent, the combine is big for me..

 

Tell that to Avery Gennesy, Brian O'Neill, Tyrell Crosby, and Brett Toth.

 

That's like saying I didn't watch the last 1/3 of "It's a Wonderful Life", but I'm confident it's not an uplifting movie.

 

I don't care who you are, if you come from a small school and are suddenly asked to play a different style (fingers in the dirt and at DT), against top competition, then I expect there to be an initial adjustment period. This narrative that Davenport is a failure or disappointment b/c it took him longer than 2 days to overcome some resistance is pretty silly to me. It was TWO DAYS.... not two months.

 

I watched a lot of Davenport..just not a practice and an all star game yet..

It’s good that he improved and played well in the game.. let the evaluation continue, may change my mind..

Invid brought up a good point about the dogfight in him..