The forgotten man, and the man most important to balance our football team and support our young excellent defense claims that he is 100 percent on first take, said all the teams doctor's game him thumbs up including Andrews.
Rumor From Mark Kohn on twitter...The twitter link didnt work when I posted..sorry..here it is..
#''Dolphins News: Continue to hear the Colin Kaepernick is the #1 QB on Jeff Ireland's board..take it for what it's worth..Smokescreen????''
Does anyone know that dude Kohn?..
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There was another rumor that CKap was #1 on an AFCW team's board.
I think the Ingram knee concerns are most likely smokescreen stuff. On the other hand, I think the Daquan Bowers knee issues may be real. He's a guy who is obviously a top talent but may drop until a team is ready to gamble on their team's medical report. -
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If this is true, for those who think he should be our GM, Exhibit A. -
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Nobody knows who's #1 on Jeff Ireland's board.
If something's out there, it's because the Dolphins leaked it on purpose.Sceeto and Frumundah Finnatic like this. -
I would doubt that CKap is above Newton and Gabbert on Ireland's board, but I could believe that he's the next QB or the highest rated QB among those likely to be available at #15. I think that they are rating mobility (actually the ability to extend the play) very highly and that is something CKap has above Mallett (CKap also lacks all the character issues that Mallett has). CKap is also, at a minimum, arguably (and IMO) a better passer than Ponder or Locker.
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That said, it could be possible that.....in our current circumstance....Ireland is comfortable coming away with from this draft Kapaernick.
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Whether Ingram's knee is 100% or not, still not worth a first round pick, IMHO. Not for a team with other glaring needs. 1st round RB is a luxury pick, again, IMHO.
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Bowers's knee is fine from what I read. No signs of future arthritis etc (no swelling after his rigorous pro day and no swelling on his airline flight).rafael likes this.
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If it's not disinformation, maybe Kaep is #1 on our QB board b/c Ireland has no desire to take a QB in the first or 2nd round, so he's started his list with potential 3rd rounders and on. just throwin it out there. (not sayin it's what I believe)
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"Other Glaring" needs like what? A HC that prefers TDs over FGs? Yeah, that'd be nice. Harbaugh was at the top of our board, but the 49ers traded up to get him ahead of us.
Other than that, there's nothing this team needs more than a starting running back. IMO.Colorado Dolfan likes this. -
I agree. On a pure need basis running back is our highest need. Whether it is best to fill that need in the first or later rounds or in FA is a separate question.Colorado Dolfan likes this.
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Any GM who has Kaepernick #1 on their board will be unemployed this time next season.
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Kap is gone if not late first than early 2nd, he does not last until round 3.
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Luxury? Hell, if R or R could have run the ball last year, we are an entirely different team, and could have won a few more games. IMHOColorado Dolfan, GMJohnson and djphinfan like this.
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IF we pass on a RB in the first round, there are others to fill the need. However, without a 2nd rounder, chances are they will not be available.
D Williams is a choice of many in FA but, he was tagged by Carolina for a #1 and a #3. Chances are they will do the same with a new CBA.
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Kapernick, if picked in the first round, or really second round even, perpetrated the greatest con-job in the NFL Draft since Jamarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf, and Robert Gallery, and Vernon Gholston, and....well you get the picture. I'm telling you, he's fool's gold.
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Dead Wrong. It will take a year or two. :)
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I think when it comes to Ingram and this particular draft hes just the right player at the right time... safe maybe, but at this time, we dont have enough picks to gamble,The championship makeup, The ability to be a complete 3 down back should not be underestimated, this man takes away the word scatback from our draft vocabulary, he is all that at 5'9 215, so quick yet with such power, The first 10 yards in that 40 was elite, his ability to recognize the hole makes up for the rest of the top end speed that he may lack, I mean the reason why this kid never gets caught from behind is because he always gets the head start..Character, character, character..The humility, the leadership, the dedication to his craft...Hes a 3 down player man, thats stock up in todays game, dont want to take the heisman trophy winner off the field on third down..
Our defense will be so grateful for what Ingram can bring to this tea, and our 2nd and 3rd down offense will as well..
I think you might be able to move down some and still grab him, I would call Beliceks bluff with Jarvis green, woodhead, and Brady on a team, they really dont need him getting 20 touches a game..
If I have to stay put, than I select Mark Ingram, and then try to move back up to the early 2nd, by swapping a pick next year added with one of our later picks this year, and select CKap.Starry31 likes this. -
Chip Smith has somethin to say...
Chip Smith might be the only man who has spent considerable time personally working out Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick -- and he believes the Nevada quarterback is a superior athlete when compared to Auburn's Heisman Trophy winner.
"They're a lot alike in terms of being really special, and they're both extremely athletic," said Smith, founder of Duluth, Ga.-based Competitive Edge Sports. "But Colin is actually a little bit better athletically. He's a little faster -- I've clocked him as low as a 4.4 (-second runner in the 40-yard dash) -- and there isn't a quarterback in this draft who throws the ball with the velocity that Colin does. Colin is a better athlete, and he understands the game better."
That's high praise from a man who has trained elite football players for 20 years. Smith also has long ties to Newton's family and worked with the quarterback after he left the University of Florida in 2008 and was looking at other schools.
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Smith, who spent the winter training Kaepernick for February's NFL Scouting Combine, said he expects a team to move up into the back end of the first round to land the quarterback. Smith also said the fact that some analysts have Kaepernick rated as low as the fifth-best quarterback in next week's draft motivates the prospect.
"Of the 56 quarterbacks I've worked with, Colin is the most prepared for the NFL," Smith said. "I've never seen the kind of complete package like Colin Kaepernick has."
Smith believes that questions concerning the level of play that Kaepernick faced in college won't hinder his development and the quarterback will make an immediate impact in the NFL.
"I think Colin is game-ready to step in and play," Smith said. "He has the physical package, and the arm and he's very intelligent. He understands the mental aspect of it."
Smith said he and his staff spent considerable time getting Kaepernick more comfortable under center, working on snaps and exchanges. They also dedicated hours daily to the precise footwork required for three-, five- and seven-step drop..
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Exactly. Whatever GM takes Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick in the first round will be out of a job in the next three years, and there is a chance that whichever one takes Blaine Gabbert will also be out of a job in the next 3 years. Newton and Kaepernick are eons away from being NFL quarterbacks from a mental standpoint, if they ever get to the point where they are credible NFL quarterbacks.
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Kaepernick scored a 38 on his wonderlic KB, smarts isnt his issue.
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We need someone like Ingram on offense. I don't care if he's a running back. He's electric and at a position of need.
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Experience is. I never questioned his intelligence. In fact, I have lauded him for his intelligence and cited that as a reason he might be able to close the gap on his developmental window in the NFl.
However, he has never played in a pro style offense. At this point in his development as a quardterback, he is in the strict progression stage. The offense he ran at Nevada did give him progressions to read, but they were strict progressions. I've seen no evidence to suggest that Colin Kaepernick was asked to make progression reads with coverage keys, which according to Boise State's Chris Peterson is the second stage of quarterback development. In the film I have watched of Colin Kaepernick, I don't see him being asked to make many presnap reads at all. Because of that, he's also not being asked to make his own protection calls or changing the play at the line based on the defense he is seeing. He's a long way from being able to read coverages, IMO. Like I said though, he is very intelligent, and that might help close the gap in his developmental window. It's going to take a lot of hard work and studying though.
See, guys like Colin Kaepernick and Cam Newton aren't at the same point of development as Ryan Mallet. Ryan Mallett has been taught how to be a quarterback ever since he was in the 8th grade. At that time, he was studying guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning in the NFL, learing how the elite pocket passers in the NFL do things. He ran a mulitple offense in high school, played in a pro style offense at Michigan, and mastered Bobby Petrino's multiple pro style system at Arkansas. Unlike the other two, Ryan is already adept at calling his own protections and making pre snap reads. That's not something that you learn how to do in one training camp. It takes several years to cultivate that skill and make it an instinctual aspect of your game. Hell, Cam Newton can't even call a play at this point. He just stands there and looks dumb, and then says something to the nature of "simplistic equals speed."Frumundah Finnatic and djphinfan like this. -
I cant disagree with your analysis here, but I think this kid can play the game while he learns KB.. To me, I think we all can I agree that he has the physical skillset to be elite, he can throw with velocity, he can throw with touch, he has eloquent escapability talent because of how his eyes are always downfield while he's makin moves.. and I mean always..When he needs to run, he can, with speed that is unmatched for a man his size, he can juke, he can spin, has great balance with that tall frame, and most importantly, I see innate accuracy with this kid, I love his follow thru, you can see precision in that follow thru, so, really, all that's left, is whether or not you think hes smart enough to learn?, and the hitch?...I know hes smart enough, I know he works his *** off on his craft and in the gym, and I know he put a nothing program on the map, I believe with his humility, the way he carries himself, and his demeanor, grown men will gravitate to him, and wanna play hard for him..
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The thing is that he will likely not be close to starting in the NFL for at least 3 years, and I would tend to bet it will be longer than that. Like I said, Ryan Mallett basically has 9 years of development on Colin Kaepernick, because he has been taught to do pro style stuff since the 8th grade. Colin came from a Wing T offense in high school and played in a pistol formation in college. Yes, he is smart. So was Alex Smith though, and Alex Smith was far more accurate as a passer in college than Colin Kaepernick. Alex Smith has been unable to make the transition from college spread option offense that is shot gun based to NFL pro style offense.
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According to Bill Huber of Packer Report, Colin Kaepernick's recent draft invite was sent by the league after "several teams" told the NFL he is the top rated quarterback on their boards.
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I think with his skillset, he can learn on the run, hes not the kind of player that should sit on the bench and learn, he's an instinctual player, a playmaker, He can throw and run the sh%4 out of the ball, he looks to throw first, he's smart with the football, never threw double digit int's during college, not even close..His intelligence, his athleticism, and his size, will help him execute a simple precision type offense while he learns the game.
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I don't see CKap being able to play for a few years, to me that makes him a reach in the first round, particularly at 15. Honestly I'd have to question Ireland if he takes him at 15. I know we don't have a 2nd round pick and that makes things a bit dicey if we really want a Qb but don't think he'll last to the 3rd and can't trade down but this guy at 15? I don't see it. Hey if they think he's the guy and they have the sack to take him at 15 and they look like geniuses 3 years from now great, but this would definetly be an all in move with Ireland's job on the line if this guy can't play by his 2nd year.
I like Ingram a lot, for some reason the pick just isn't exciting.....I'm not sure why, it should be, he's going to be one of the top backs in the NFL early on in his career. I guess its just because teams seem to be able to get guys off the street or late in the draft and run the ball effectively that it makes it look like a waste to take a guy at 15, but Ingram is an elite talent at the Rb position and 15 isn't that high. I do think if we pass on him we'll be defending him when he winds up in New England..... -
I believe he means with our 1st pick and I totally agree. You can find good RBs later in the draft. The days of the every down RB carrying it like 30 times a game are quickly vanishing. Therefor, it is a "luxury" to pick a guy with your 1st pick whom will probably have a limited snap count and a potentially shorter shelf life. I like Ingram and I think he will make a great RB and I would love to have him on this team, but definitely not with our 1st pick. Give me Delone Carter later on and I'll be a happy dude.