Definitely a reflection on Moreno.

Time for Belichick to trot out the corpse of Fred Taylor again.

 

What did the Pats get in return?? My guess, two 1st one in 2011 and one in 2012?:pointlol:

 

Didn't see that coming.

 

Could someone explain the disdain for Josh McDaniels? Guy inherited a terrible team that was outperforming its talent level. Is Jay Cutler considered such an elite QB that trading him was absolutely out of the question? Wow.

 

I never understood it for the life of me. Guy dumps Jeff George for 2 first round picks and thats somehow a negative. McDaniels has gotten a pretty bad rap around here IMO.

 

The only talented player on that list is Marshall. Scheftler was a product of Cutler checking down on the few times he didn’t try to pull a Favre and force the ball into triple coverage.

You’re wildly overrating Cutler and Schefter.

Mutual parting due to difference of philosophy. Happens pretty often. It’s called turnover.

Shanahan drove the car over the side of a tall bridge, swam to shore, and left the keys for someone to find. McDaniels is operating the salvage crane with the keys in his back pocket.

 

IMO McDaniels handled a lot poorly. I'm in no way a Cutler fan, in fact if it were my choice I would have traded him as well. But he was telling Cutler one thing while doing another. Its hard to respect that.

Then he clearly divided the locker room and b/ of it lost some of his best players in Marshall and Sheffler. I'm sure it wasn't all his fault, but I'm also sure that a large part of it was his fault.

He also alienated his defensive coordinator through some kind of a power play.

Unfortunately for me, I'm a Tebow fan and I want Tebow to succeed so now I have to hope that McDaniels grows up enough to help that happen.

 

How does a superior pull a power play on an inferior? Nolan reported to McDaniels, not vice versa.

 

Can Pats fans now finally admit Maroney is a BUST???

 

Cool just blitz the hell out of Brady until he cries.

 

Can some explain to me how the Pats pulled this trade off...?? They send a flat out bust okay, lets not mince words here, he sucks, and their 6th to Denver.....FOR THE BRONCOS 4TH!?!!?!?!? And crap you guys not, that will by a high 4th rounder too, as the Broncos stink this year....

Bellacheat fleeces yet another team....unreal...

 

Hate to admit it but when it comes to raping teams Bellichick is very Pat Riley-esq. He's pretty good at doing it. I mean, they gave us a poison pill when it came to Wes Welker.

 

Which Goodell nullified when he forced the Pats to give us a 7th rounder in addition to the 2nd rounder already on the table.

 

I thought Tags was still commish at the time.

 

Goodell came on board just before the 2006 season began.

 

He did no such thing. It was worked out between the teams on their own. The poison pill never happened. It was going to be one (drawn up by Welker's agent) but they went ahead and just called up the Phins and worked out the trade. Hence the extra 7th.

 

The way I remember it, Goodell intervened because the league didn’t want to stir the pot with the NFLPA by having the poison pill become routine. So Goodell stepped in and basically said that Welker would be traded, that there would be no poison pill, and we’d get our 2nd round pick as tendered plus a 7th round pick.

Otherwise, there was no reason to add the 7th rounder to the pot. Welker was tendered at a 2nd round level. The Patriots wrote up an offer sheet. Without the poison pill, Welker would have signed and we would have gotten just a 2nd round pick.

 

I heard this too. League was putting pressure to get a deal done, and the trade save the pats a decent chunk of money if I remember right. People thought welled would be pissed.


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It always amazes me that old stories never die, but memories fade....:lol:

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...7/10/17/patriots_pounced_fast_to_grab_welker/

Patriots pounced fast to grab Welker

The Patriots' free agent strategy was to strike quickly; with more teams having salary cap space, they felt that approach was more important than in past years. While some might have considered it a change in philosophy, the Patriots didn't. They felt they'd jumped out early in other years, such as with receiver Derrick Mason in 2005, only to be outbid by the Ravens.

From McElroy's view, the first domino fell March 1, the day before free agency began. That's when the Dolphins and general manager Randy Mueller had to decide what level to tender Welker as a restricted free agent.

They essentially had three choices: A high tender of $2.35 million would have ensured that the Dolphins received first- and third-round draft choices if another team signed Welker to an offer sheet; for $1.85 million, the Dolphins would receive a single first-round pick; and at $1.35 million, it would be a second-round selection.

In what was considered a weak draft, the Dolphins' decision to offer Welker the $1.35 million can now only be considered perplexing. Instead of forking over an additional $500,000 for a player who was coming off a career-high 67-catch season - which would have required suitors to give up a first-round pick - they essentially gave up their leverage.

"I think the sides had a different view of things," McElroy said, noting that prior attempts to negotiate an extension with the Dolphins had gained little momentum.

From Welker's perspective, the interest from the Patriots was flattering. While some teams' views of him reflected the label with which he entered the league - a rookie free agent - he felt different on his visit to New England.

By that point, the only question was how to finalize the process. The Patriots were prepared to sign Welker to an offer sheet that included a "poison pill" that would make it difficult for the Dolphins to match. Yet in hopes of avoiding the bad blood that sometimes can accompany offer sheets - the Seahawks and Vikings recently engaged in a nasty back and forth with offensive lineman Steve Hutchinson and receiver Nate Burleson exchanging teams via offer sheets - the Patriots instead called the Dolphins and proposed a trade.

The Dolphins were amenable, shipping Welker to the Patriots for second- and seventh-round draft choices. The Dolphins used the second-rounder (60th overall) to select Hawaii center Samson Satele, who has started all six games this season. The seventh-round pick (238th overall) yielded Abraham Wright, a linebacker from Colorado who has been inactive for every game.

In New England, Welker signed a five-year contract that included a $5.5 million signing bonus and $3.5 million option bonus. His presence as a slot receiver, playing alongside Randy Moss and Stallworth, has been a key part of the Patriots' offensive explosion. In Sunday's win over the Cowboys, he was on the field for 37 snaps and had 14 passes thrown his way, an extremely high percentage.
While Welker, 26, might not have fit so nicely in another team's system, to say it's all worked out for the Patriots is an understatement.

"Looking back, the bottom line is that they wanted the guy, and from Wes's perspective, the concern was that with these type of deals, something could always break down," McElroy said. "I think both sides knew that. New England did not want to mess around, and we had reached a point where we felt good about the deal and wanted to move forward. And that's how deals usually work out."

 

Sorry, but Mike Reiss did some covering for the home crowd in his article.

Think about this for a minute. Do you actually believe that the Patriots give a damn whether or not they’re on good terms with a divisional rival, especially in a transaction intended to have the dual effect of helping the Patriots and hurting us?

The Patriots basically wanted to blackmail Welker from us via the poison pill. Goodell stepped in and put a stop to that, replacing the poison pill with a 7th round pick, for precisely the reason that Reiss outlines: acrimony over the Steve Hutchinson poison pill, plus NFLPA rumblings that they were going to do something unpleasant to try to get rid of the poison pill.

This isn’t made up or misremembered. Goodell swapped the poison pill for a 7th round pick. The real problem with that trade is Randy Mueller’s stupidity in assigning only a 2nd round tender to Welker. Should have signed him to a long term deal.

Can we get back to the Broncos now? :lol:

 

I don't so much mind McDaniel's shipping off of Cutler and Marshall as what he is getting in return. His draft picks imo leave something to be desired. If Thomas (not a fan) and Tebow (I am a fan) don't pan out, that might be all she wrote for him.