Merged:Dolphins signed CB Eric Green

Doesn't make CB a strong part of the personnel, though we're at least not desperate anymore.

I'd compare his arrival to Goodman's and Will Allen's. Guys that came in with the 'average' label, but were well coached and played solid.

He's young, so thats a plus. With the coaching staff we have in place now to develop him, I'd grade this sign as good and necessary. Now I hope we draft early another CB, so next year we're confortable at the CB position.

At this point im elated we atleast got someone with some experience. Jason Allen and Nate Jones being the veterans of the group (minus Will) scared me.

Seems a relatively slight downgrade, and on par with last years Goodman, who 12 months ago today, believed that winning the division, was about as unlikely as recieving a new 20 million dollar contract.

Guys this was exactly the type of signing that Goodman was in the first place. A marginal guy going into his prime.

But then why bother talking when all folks do is look at the stats and think that's the end all be all.

"calphin wrote:

Is this guy any good?

IMHO no this was a panic move.. Hes 27 and not much stats might have a few more years in him to get better but hes on par with what we have now... I would have liked to kept goodman and pay him for last year and he already knows the defense.

Too little to late and now the Fins have backend into getting him..

We will draft a corner watch and book it..

First real letdown for me from the F.O. Waiting for the bottom feeders when studs were available.

Guys, Eric Green is a good guy. His tackling skills are awesome, and his run defense is among the best in the league. His coverage skills on the other hand are downright BAD. He gets beat 99% of the time, I have even watched him fake an injury after being juked off of the line. He is a great person on and off the field, but his coverage skills, and skillet hands are what had him dropped to our number 5 Cb behind Ralph Brown...... seriously he is good enough to play in run formations, but he SUCKS in pass coverage.

I don't know. I have a different perspective on the Green signing. It fills the position of need and probably cap friendly and when we do draft that cornerback it won't be necessary to cast him to the wolves right away he can be eased into the position. We could get lucky in two ways, if Green turns out to be better than expected and, or if the rookie comes out of the gate playing better than expected. The guys on Serious NFL radio said that Green was a good cornerback. Not a great cornerback, but a good cornerback who might improve. I kind of think the trifecta see something about him that some of us don't.

Hopefully this Eric Green signing turns out better than the first one.

"Onehondo wrote:

I don't know. I have a different perspective on the Green signing. It fills the position of need and probably cap friendly and when we do draft that cornerback it won't be necessary to cast him to the wolves right away he can be eased into the position. We could get lucky in two ways, if Green turns out to be better than expected and, or if the rookie comes out of the gate playing better than expected. The guys on Serious NFL radio said that Green was a good cornerback. Not a great cornerback, but a good cornerback who might improve. I kind of think the trifecta see something about him that some of us don't.

We'll see. Right now, our starters our Will Allen and Jason Allen. While I don't mind that starting combo, we sure do need depth.

Well, we needed some warm body back there. But yeah, this seems desperate. They should have ponied up the money for a good cover corner.

"Coral Reefer wrote:

I don't think Green affects the need to draft a CB in the draft at all.
This guy is filler and an avg. option better suited for situational rather than starting. I still strongly feel we'll go CB within the first 2 rounds.

I didn't say we wouldn't draft a CB it just gives us more room as to where we will draft one. We'll pick one up but it doesn't have to be with the first pick like I was thinking before.

They could also know something about the guys we already have.

Just because we don't know them doesn't mean they are in the same position.

who?

Yeah, he's an average player but maybe with a change of scenery and better coaching he can improve now that he's entering his prime.

I still think drafting a corner with the first 3 picks is a near guarantee.

:woot: finally a CB.
Doesnt appear to be the greatest of players, stats wise anyways. But im sure if were successful in finding pass rush this year, im sure he's going to look as good as goodman last year. I wish Green's INT numbers were alot higher though, I'd love to see our DB's come up with more picks this year. They did a good job last year, but i want more! :up:

I wouldn't get too caught up in Green's history of having stone hands and not being able to pull in the INT.
First go read CK's latest blog.
http://universaldraft.com/3_12_2009_CK_s_Blog.php

Then think of Will Allen up until this past year under Bowles.
If anyone can teach Eric Green how to get those INTs it's Todd Bowles.

....."Is Bowles a miracle worker? Having coached Roy Williams into 10 interceptions in 3 seasons, some would insist yes. All kidding aside, he still couldn't get any interceptions out of Yeremiah Bell, so no he is not necessarily a miracle worker. But with Eric Green having issues spotting the football in the air, he will be coached by a secondary coach who has a reputation for helping his defensive backs do exactly that.".........

This is a great read for those who are (understandably) hesitant to embrace this signing as significant.

This signing fits the mold

Green exactly fits the mold of what we saw last year from the Trifecta. They look to find guys that are under the radar about 4-6 years into their careers that show promise. I really don't know much about Green, have read good and bad comments. So I am going to side with the Trifecta and put my faith in them that they see a guy with enough talent, coupled with some real NFL experience to mold into a solid player, help get to the next level by coaching them up, at their position, in this case of course cornerback.

Still think we will draft a rookie if one is there at the right spot. But a rookie, no matter how good in college, is going to have growing pains playing at CB.

Two things, First Greens success or the lack there of, could have been a problem with the system, and nor so much the player. Second, I seem to remember people saying the same about Goodman when we signed him a few years back and up till last year many were still calling for a replacement.

I am all for letting the guy show us what he has in our system before sticking a fork in him. I happy for the signing, it opens our options in the draft, will make it harder for other teams to try and predict what our moves might be. Just food for thought.

Folks...Green is not the 'savior' at CB. He's a depth signing, just like Goodman was, like Renaldo Hill was and like Nate Jones was....some of those have turned out very good, some not so good...Worry about who we draft at the CB position, because those will be the guys the Trio expects to fill the starting roles...Besides on our first 'depth chart' they don't list Green as the starting CB...Jason Allen is...That in itself may cause some to worry, but they have seen enough from Allen to project him there now. That means that if the right CB is not available at #25 or #44, they have some leeway to take the BPA which is how this team will improve, not from second-tier FAs...

I think we draft a CB very early in the draft and they will compete for the Starting job

"salty wrote:

Guys, Eric Green is a good guy. His tackling skills are awesome, and his run defense is among the best in the league. His coverage skills on the other hand are downright BAD. He gets beat 99% of the time, I have even watched him fake an injury after being juked off of the line. He is a great person on and off the field, but his coverage skills, and skillet hands are what had him dropped to our number 5 Cb behind Ralph Brown...... seriously he is good enough to play in run formations, but he SUCKS in pass coverage.

:lol:

This scouting report may be fine talking about a LB prospect you can take off the field in passing downs but when you're talking a starting CB prospect how does that assessment not make him "bad"?

Coverage skills are the most important aspect of a corner man!

You've turned my stomach this moring Salty! Thanks!
Hopefully that assessment of Green's cover skills isn't entirely true.

"finattic79 wrote:

He is from Clewiston,FL, graduated with my sister. Maybe being closer to home he might affect him so, who knows. At least we'll have some veteran presence, and he is young so that is good as well.

I graduated from Riverdale, Clewiston was not one of my favorite places to play...

"salty wrote:

Guys, Eric Green is a good guy. His tackling skills are awesome, and his run defense is among the best in the league. His coverage skills on the other hand are downright BAD. He gets beat 99% of the time, I have even watched him fake an injury after being juked off of the line. He is a great person on and off the field, but his coverage skills, and skillet hands are what had him dropped to our number 5 Cb behind Ralph Brown...... seriously he is good enough to play in run formations, but he SUCKS in pass coverage.

I live in Arizona and watch Cardinals games on tv when Miami is not on. I agree with the post above. He is very good tackler but bad on coverage. I did see that faked injury too and I cannot believe he does that :pointlol: I hope we can improve his coverage skills, if not then he can be star in special teams.......

Hope he works out... Ken Lucas has now been cut too! Should we snag him up as well?

"Dorfdad wrote:

IMHO no this was a panic move.. Hes 27 and not much stats might have a few more years in him to get better but hes on par with what we have now... I would have liked to kept goodman and pay him for last year and he already knows the defense.

Too little to late and now the Fins have backend into getting him..

We will draft a corner watch and book it..

First real letdown for me from the F.O. Waiting for the bottom feeders when studs were available.

I disagree. Obviously until the contract specifics come out we can't know if it was a "panic" move or not but I feel that we needed to address the CB position, not the STARTING CB position. It's great to have good starters but it's better to have good starters AND good depth. You can't expect every player the FO signs to be a pro-bowler all star starter. And I don't think that's what Green was signed for. I think he was signed because he's shown potential, he's entering the prime of his career, can play special teams, can provide depth at the CB position where we just need warm bodies right now AND prolly came on the cheap. I'm sure you're correct that we'll still draft a corner. Saying that is like saying the eagles will draft a lineman. It's a foregone conclusion. But at least now we have more depth at the position which gives us more options which gives us greater flexability. And the great teams always have those traits.

So in summation just because Green isn't yet the stud CB that everyone thinks this team needs doesn't mean the FO made a mistake.

"salty wrote:

Guys, Eric Green is a good guy. His tackling skills are awesome, and his run defense is among the best in the league. His coverage skills on the other hand are downright BAD. He gets beat 99% of the time, I have even watched him fake an injury after being juked off of the line. He is a great person on and off the field, but his coverage skills, and skillet hands are what had him dropped to our number 5 Cb behind Ralph Brown...... seriously he is good enough to play in run formations, but he SUCKS in pass coverage.

So lets say we draft a CB and he beats out Green for the #2 CB spot. Why would you even want Green as your nickel? Based on what I bolded, its no wonder he dropped to 5th on Arizona's depth chart. You dont want your weakest pass defender coming in with nickel and dime formations. :pointlol:

Last time I checked, nickel and dime defenses were not meant to stop the run. If anything, Eric Green's skillset sounds more like a SS than a CB.

If we wanted a CB for cheap, I think we missed out on Leigh Bodden.