Thought some of you may want to see what we will all be arguing about this offseason. :lol:
There seems to be alot more out there about Dorsey (no suprise there), but what little I've seen of Long is still very impressive. Honestly, I'll take either one. If healthy though, I think I'd prefer Dorsey. Watching those double and triple teams, his speed, and him literally throwing those OL guys around with just his arms is just sick to watch. No wonder JT wants this guy next to him. And contrary to what some are saying, he is absolutely a Parcells kinda guy. Again though, I'll take either one.
Dorsey
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EWHdz2nygU[/ame]
http://www.rivals.com/video.asp?section=football&pkey=37962&vidtype=highlight&vidid=840
Long
http://www.rivals.com/video.asp?section=football&pkey=35573&vidtype=highlight&vidid=845
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i want Chris Long
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Don't want a defensive lineman at #1, sorry.
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I like Glenn Dorsey alot more than I like Chris Long for Miami.
Long to me looks like he's going to end up as a strictly 4-3 DE, rather than someone who can play in a 3-4 well. He's like Patrick Kerney, or a rich man's Matt Roth, someone who has the frame to bulk up, but probabaly should be playing in the 270-280 range.
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L-S-U, L-S-U, L-S-U! WOOOOO I love Dorsey.
however, I love Chris Long too.
I also like Gholston. Wooo
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could it come down to a wonderlic test?
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I mean I'll even be happy with Jake Long/McFadden/Laurinaitis.
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As i said, Dorsey's #1. Then Chris Long. -
I think based on need that Dorsey is the pick. The middle of our line was atrocious this year against the run. If Parcells can fill the middle via free agency (probably what he wants to do), they would go for Long but I think right now the pick has to be Dorsey.
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The Skill guys:
3 QB's that all were a success.
1 WR that was a success
2 DB's 1 success and 1 early but good.
Total of 6 and all good players
The Big Guys:
4 DE's, 1 a success, 1 a bust, 2 looking good but early.
2 LB's 1 success and 1 bust.
1 TE (blocking variety) 1 not so good (Anthony Becht)
Total of 7 and 4 good players
Hell, going by that he is much better not picking big men. Kinda blows the theory on the street about what is and isn't a safe pick, at least for Parcells.
Again I just don't see how you can ignore Miami averaged 13 points a game the last half, yes without Ronnie but we are always without Ronnie.Regan21286 likes this. -
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Man I am torn between Dorsey/Chris Long. Really there is no need for Chris Long because we Have Rod Wright. We need someone who can push the Middle.
I would love our front three to look like this
Rod Wright Dorsey Holiday (rotating with Paul Solial and Matt Roth) -
I agree if Rod Wright can play this year the way we've been waiting for, he and Dorsey could be an outstanding young 1-2 punch. I'm not sold that Holliday is sticking around, though. Matt Roth has not shown me that he is what we had hoped for, either.
If either Roth or Soliai could develop along with Wright and Dorsey, then we have 3 young studs on the DL... obviously DL and conditioning coaches are going to be key here. -
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Put me down for Chris Long. Here's some great info about him....
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=88799&SPID=10606&DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=1290023
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewA...&DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=1133501&Q_SEASON=2007Swampfox likes this. -
"He's the best defensive lineman that I've seen on tape. He's a playmaker. He does it all. He plays the run well. He knocks balls down, and he plays all over the place. He'll be outside as an end, and then he'll move inside as a tackle. ... He's quick, and he's strong. And he plays so hard. He's got it all, and in my opinion he'll be a first-round (NFL Draft) pick."
– Dave Wannstedt, Pittburgh head coach
Geez Dave, way to go out on a limb. You sure he's a first rounder?
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Are you going to sit there and tell me that the "Planet Theory" isnt Parcells philosophy? Or are you going to tell me that the general consensus at the top of this draft isnt DL?
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When Al Groh says he's the best player in the country, you'd better believe Bill Parcells is going to listen. -
Oh and Chris Long is a manbeast, Dorsey gets hurt or is limping evertime I see him play. No Thanks. -
LOL @ the theory that Glenn Dorsey has injury issues. He's a remarkable DT and would be my pick over Long, another fantastic player, but one who I think may be close to maxing out his talent. How much higher is his ceiling now than in 10 years? I think it's lower than Dorsey's. Is Chris as good as Jared Allen or Kyle Van Den Bosch? Is he as good as Mike Vrabel? Is he better?
Personally, Dorsey is a cross between Leonard Marshall, Tommie Harris and Kevin Williams. That's talent right there. Plus, he can play every spot on the DL from 4-3 and 3-4 end to NT and every technique you could name. I think he's around 304, but could easily get to 315 and play the nose, with no loss of that 1st 3 step speed. -
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LOL @ the theory that Glenn Dorsey has injury issues. He's a remarkable DT and would be my pick over Long, another fantastic player, but one who I think may be close to maxing out his talent. How much higher is his ceiling now than in 10 years? I think it's lower than Dorsey's. Is Chris as good as Jared Allen or Kyle Van Den Bosch? Is he as good as Mike Vrabel? Is he better?
This is right from the Sun Sentinal
Notably, Dorsey swept all those awards despite being hindered by injuries over his final five games. He strained his right knee against Auburn when hit with a controversial chop block on Oct. 20. He hobbled noticeably through the rest of the season. He was also nagged by a lower back injury.
And this from ESPN
The injuries "made him work harder," Favorite said. "His work ethic is through the roof... I think he should have won the Heisman."
When those things are repeated to Dorsey, he quickly downplays both the injuries and the significance of continuing go play.
"I was beat up, but everybody was beat up," he said. "I didn't really dwell on it. I still had a successful year, so no regrets, no nothing, I'm just enjoying it."
Injuries have been an issue for him this season.Click to expand...
The injuries Dorsey had were, as quoted...nagging. They shouldn't be an issue long-term.Click to expand... -
LOL @ the theory that Glenn Dorsey has injury issues. He's a remarkable DT and would be my pick over Long, another fantastic player, but one who I think may be close to maxing out his talent. How much higher is his ceiling now than in 10 years? I think it's lower than Dorsey's. Is Chris as good as Jared Allen or Kyle Van Den Bosch? Is he as good as Mike Vrabel? Is he better?
Personally, Dorsey is a cross between Leonard Marshall, Tommie Harris and Kevin Williams. That's talent right there. Plus, he can play every spot on the DL from 4-3 and 3-4 end to NT and every technique you could name. I think he's around 304, but could easily get to 315 and play the nose, with no loss of that 1st 3 step speed.Click to expand... -
Why spend $60M on a 3-4 DE? That's the only question I have regarding him. I'm sure there are other 3-4 DE's that can be found later on and are bigger than Chris Long...maybe not as good a college player, but so be it.
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Boomer summed up my thoughts nicely. Both guys are fine players, but I think Dorsey has the higher ceiling. He's gonna be an absolute stud at the next level.
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Won't argue with you on upside, Dorsey's could certainly be higher than Long's. Dorsey's floor is much lower though IMO. Whether this year's injury problems are a one time thing or not, they're still a concern for a team that can't afford to miss on this pick. That, coupled with more uncertainty of where/how he'd be used in a Parcells D. With Long, I don't see a possibility of him not being a solid, though perhaps unspectacular, 10+ year pro.Click to expand...
You'd be happy signing off with an "unspectacular" #1 overall pick.
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He got cut blocked. He didn't rupture any ligaments. Did he look injury prone on Monday night?
You'd be happy signing off with an "unspectacular" #1 overall pick.
Thanks, but I'll pass.Click to expand...
A few years ago I argued that Cromartie was too dangerous of a pick for Miami at #16 because of his knee injury, but you felt his upside was through the roof and worth the gamble. Turns out, the risk would've been well rewarded. You were right then and may be here too, but when you're giving a guy 40-50 million and trying to build a franchise around someone, I'd lean towards someone I felt was a sure thing. -
I'm still 50/50 between Long and Dorsey. Right now I'd have to say Dorsey, but I think it depends on the combine, etc. before I make a decision.
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Why not this monster?
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Gholston would be great, its just that everytime I remember the name Justin Fargas, I really get nauseated and hope for Dorsey...
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