Where is he projected to go in the draft?

 

Never heard about that site

 

That, is the key question! Potential late round guy? 2nd or 3rd or even later? If so, double down in the draft, add Wallace and go Pass rusher/CB/WR/TE high on a BPA basis. I like it. Bama had one heckuva defense and defensive backfield if I remember correctly, Saban's specialty. I would love to now the kid's measurables; tall enough to go up for the ball? Fast enough to stretch the field? Can he break free and consistently provide an open target when Tannehill needs one? What can he gain in YAC? Is he big/strong enough? The most interesting part and question mark at the NFL-level is can he score touchdowns, get in the end zone? (at the NFL level)

Interesting he scored 11 TD's with Tanny and only 8 with Johnny Football/Heisman winner, does that speak to Tanny being better than we think or did his replacement/Heisman guy have more/better targets? This raises a LOT of questions. Great thread, looking forward to learning more.

 

Hes probably going to be between 85-100 on many boards which puts him at a late 3rd/early 4th slot but Id guess he goes just a bit higher around pick 80ish cause I can easily see some team wanting him bad enough to move on him...

This site has Swope at 123 which is actually one of the lower rankings Ive seen for him:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2013/WR

 

CBS gets their info from NFLDraftScout.com and I think they are one of the most accurate draft sites on the net. We need to see how he does at the combine too.

 

one man's opinion.

 

Yeah I know. I can see Swope being one of those cases though where the game film will do him justice on draft day as long he runs well and shows good hands. His routes are pretty crisp from what I have seen (he doesnt round off many) and I see a lot of Wes Welker when I watch him not just in demographic terms but in terms of his attention to detail like the way he runs routes and his emphasis on catching the ball with his hands and being gifted with better short area speed rather then long speed.

 

He also has a high 4th round grade here:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/tracker
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/ryan-swope?id=2539323

 

I like Swope. Wouldn't be a bad pickup. He knows the system, has talent, etc... I wouldn't hate the pick in late round 3 or 4. However, I'm still far more interested in Bailey and Patton. If we have a shot at those two and pass I'm going to be incredibly disappointed. Unless of course, we get Ertz/Eifert and Bailey in round 2 and Patton is gone by our next opportunity. Then Swope becomes interesting depending on who's left on the board.

How tall is Swope? I've seen him listed from 6' to 6'2".

 

I don't see why these reports say he is limited to a slot role. I think he has good enough size and strength, and he's not field slow, to play outside.

 

I'd be pretty surprised to see him go before the 4th round. This is a very good draft for WRs in rounds 2 and 3. I like Swope and wouldn't mind the Dolphins drafting him, but that's only if they have already drafted another WR earlier.

 

By the way. The title of this is misleading. They say the Dolphins WILL look to draft Swope, but the article says nothing about any rumor of them targeting him. Rather it's them speculating how he would be a good fit.

 

Me too. I don't want to see resigning Hartline, signing Jennings, and drafting Swope as the extent of our WR focus. We need one more guy in there, and preferably one with some deep speed.

 

No thanks.

 

Sadly this is exactly what I'm preparing for. The one thing that makes me nervous about all the 2nd round receiver talk is how hard it seemed for our young skill position player to find the field this year. I think that the off season that you drew up is exactly the type of unit that would be able to make the quickest impact, which is what Ireland will be looking for most likely.

 

4.52'ish guy with small hands and a less than inspiring Senior Bowl week will probably push him to the 4th or 5th IMO..... perhaps even 6th.

 

I did not see Swope in any of the practice footage or in the game.

 

You're both confused but that's ok. Ryan Swope is the topic of discussion not a certain someone who came to those conclusions. Don't worry about him.

 

I suspect Swope - or someone like him - will be the selection on draft day.
Ireland's MO lends to that assumption. My guess is he spends the first three rounds on OL, DL, and DB before switching his sights to the WR position.

 

What is your reasoning here, other than just being passive-aggressive about not liking Jeff Ireland?

 

We got 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. I'd be surprised if we came out of the 2nd without a WR pick. Swope could be a candidate as a double down WR pick later on. Just as long as the guy we pick first comes with solid speed.

 

Yep. Every time I type something, every thought I have, it's always about not liking Jeff Ireland. :pity:

It's quite rationale reasoning actually.
As I said, his track record, so far has been to not spend high picks on WR. I think he's only used 1 pick in the first 3 rounds on a WR since he's been here (3rd round on Patrick Turner).
He tends to use the first 3 rounds on linemen, DB and QB's almost exclusively. The only exception are Turner, Koa Misi and Daniel Thomas.
It so happens we have needs at OL, DL, and CB. I fully expect those three position to be drafted in the first three rounds.
We do have an extra third, so I suspect that may be where we go WR.

 

Haha. I forgot all about the extra 2nd. Wow.

Hope I'm wrong, but I still don't see him drafting a WR until the 3rd at the earliest.

 

Every draft is different so what happened last year or the year before is irrelevant to this draft. I have no idea what position he will go after bc that's not how the draft works IMO. You built a draft board and take the BPA in most cases, if not you trade down. Drafting for positional need or predetermined philosophy is silly.

 

I understand that. But it happens every year. So it would seem Ireland puts a high priority on the positions he drafts high, so in turn those players are higher on his draft board.

 

The Patriots will draft him, because he's an overachieving white guy.

 

That really doesn't reflect the reality of the roster composition. Marshall, Hartline, and Bess represented something that didnt really require serious upgrade. Complain about not replacing Marshall immediately if you want but it's an issue of value vs need.

 

Correlation does not imply causation. Miami had different needs at the time, needs that were addressed appropriately. That's like saying MIAMIS GONNA DRAFT AN O-LINEMAN IN THE FIRST. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE IRELAND HAS DONE IT TWICE.

It's baseless.

Well he's taken not one, not two, but THREE quarterbacks in the first 2 rounds since being in Miami. There it is. Proof. 1st round? OL. 2nd round? QB. The past two years, Ireland has traded UP for a running back! Okay so we can be assured that we're getting an offensive lineman in the 1st, then we can guarantee we're getting a QB in the 2nd, and likely going to trade UP in the 3rd for a running back.

Do you see what that's absolutely silly to think? Every single year is different. You're attempting to create a pattern or trend when in reality it's an entirely different set of circumstances each and every time.

 

Reading my posts would be a good start before going off the rails.

 

The reality of the roster composition right now tells me we have needs at OL, DL, DB, TE, WR.
Ireland has shown that he places a higher value on certain positions over others. (I'm not bashing, I'm just making an observation)
This leads me to believe that that he will have players at the certain positions higher on his draft board because he values that position more.

 

He's got a point though.

If you are basing your prediction off of past drafts but not factoring in need, then you'd have to think he's gonna draft a QB in the first 2 rounds this year.

 

I got an idea, lets draft Conner Vernon, Ryan Swope, resign Hartline and sign free agent Wes Welker..

And rename us the Miami whiteys

 

No because we no longer have a need at QB (hopefully.)
But we do have needs at OL, DL, and CB.
Three positions Ireland has used high picks on. Meanwhile he tends to used mid-to-low picks on WR. And again, I don't mean that as a shot at him, it's just a trend I see.
If the trend is just a coincidence, so be it. But if it's not, and it is in fact a trend based on his values, it only stands to reason that chances are we'd draft those positions before WR.

 

Swope's an interesting player, but I'm not sure how he fits with Miami's present roster, especially if they retain Brian Hartline. It's adding more of the same dynamic to the receiver rotation in my opinion. Now, if Miami doesn't bring back Hartline and lands someone like a Mike Wallace or Cordarrelle Patterson...maybe even Greg Jennings, I think there's a role you can carve out for him.

 

Right, need.

Again, the system in place before Philbin didn't put a high priority on WRs, especially high in the draft. Basically what we have is you not factoring in different systems and assuming Ireland always does the same thing regardless of system. There's no evidence to suggest that and evidence to suggest otherwise actually.

You're also ignoring that fact that needs are not always equal. Our "need" at DL is not as severe as our "need" at WR.

 

Not to split hairs, but where in that article is there any indication that the Dolphins are actively looking to add Swopes? Just seems like pure speculation on the author's part, and certainly shouldn't qualify as a "rumor".

 

Hey, I never said I was right.
I just said this was my gut feeling.
Besides, we had a need for WR at last years draft under Philbin, but we still waited until the 6th round.
Also, we both know WR isn't a very important position anyway. No matter what a WR does it ALL comes back to the QB anyway. So, really, who gives a **** about all this.

 

Why do I see the Pats moving ahead of us in the 3rd or 4th and taking this guy? Lol, I wouldn't mind seeing us draft him, I think he'll have a successful NFL career, is he going to be great? I doubt it but he should be productive in the NFL and having a guy that Tannehill is comfortable with is a big plus.