Minkah to Steelers...

"Fin D wrote:

He quit the only way an NFL player can and still be able to get another job with another team.

If he sat out, then he quit ON the team, which is different, as i explained before.

So you're admitting it isnt quitting but what you consider the NFL equivalent of quitting? That is what it sounds like.

Then you contradicted yourself by pointing out another way a player can quit....after saying the first way is the only way to do so and have a job....which isnt true.

This is all semantics and at this point I'm not even being very serious about it

"Fin D wrote:

You may not blame him and think he was justified, but that doesn’t change the name of the action he took.

Completely agree. To add to that, he gets paid millions and took a large signing bonus but then didn’t fulfill his end of the bargain. I think about all the people who go work their a**es off to make $30-40k per year for their family and never quit, under much worse circumstances and a fraction of what Minkah makes to play a game and live a life few get to experience.

I’m not gonna cry over spilled milk but I’m also not gonna justify his actions.

"Phins_to_Win wrote:

There is more nuance than that though. We have all seen the guys that check out when they have their 2 weeks in. I think Pauly is just saying the guy gave you his best for the short time he was still going to be with the team. There is nothing wrong with giving the guy some respect for doing that.

Not saying that you can't still call him a quitter, just saying I see what Pauly is saying.

My take has nothing to do with respect. And respect has nothing to do at all with the definition of quitting. I explain in another post that I think people are using "quit on the team" and "quit the team" interchangeably. They aren't interchangeable. Minkah quit the team, he didn't quit on the team.

"Fin D wrote:

My take has nothing to do with respect. And respect has nothing to do at all with the definition of quitting. I explain in another post that I think people are using "quit on the team" and "quit the team" interchangeably. They aren't interchangeable. Minkah quit the team, he didn't quit on the team.

yeah saw your other post after I had responded. I agree with your take on it.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

So you're admitting it isnt quitting but what you consider the NFL equivalent of quitting? That is what it sounds like.

Then you contradicted yourself by pointing out another way a player can quit....after saying the first way is the only way to do so and have a job....which isnt true.

This is all semantics and at this point I'm not even being very serious about it

Ok, you're really not understanding this at all. It may be my fault for not explaining it better. It may also be that you're too emotional over all this to look at it objectively.

"Fin D wrote:

Ok, you're really not understanding this at all. It may be my fault for not explaining it better. It may also be that you're too emotional over all this to look at it objectively.

No...I get you and in that post I was mostly messing around because it's silly at this point.

Your definition of quitting quite literally doesnt match up to the actual definition.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

The team gave him permission to do so.

If he sat out games I'd agree with you but he didnt walk out on his contract, he asked if he could be moved and was granted it.

The team gave him permission AFTER the leadership met with him and it was obvious he was not going to change his mind.

100% quit.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

No...I get you and in that post I was mostly messing around because it's silly at this point.

Your definition of quitting quite literally doesnt match up to the actual definition.

If I go to my boss and tell him I want to work for another company and my boss tries to convince me to stay, and I say no, and I give my two weeks and go to a different company. Then...

I. Quit. My. Job. Doesn't mean I stopped doing my job while I was there...but it still means I quit my job.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

No...I get you and in that post I was mostly messing around because it's silly at this point.

Your definition of quitting quite literally doesnt match up to the actual definition.

Yes it does.

Not to mention...when you know you want to leave a job, or a team, your work performance absolutely suffers. You can't give 100% when you want out.

"resnor wrote:

Not to mention...when you know you want to leave a job, or a team, your work performance absolutely suffers. You can't give 100% when you want out.

Sorry bro, that I don't agree with.

I think there are certainly people that is true for, but there are people it isn't true for.

We have to be careful about making general sweeping statements that apply to all humans because we are individuals.

I personally saw no evidence of Minkah slacking off or quitting ON the team.

Minkah quit on and for the Dolphins. Basically, what he did equated to a 2 week notice for a normal employer. The moment I put in my 2 week notice, I quit. Does anyone believe that if the Dolphins had not received a decent offer, and Minkah had to stay, that he would have kept playing? I don't. I'd bet my house that if he ended up being told, "Well, we have no trade partners", he would have slacked off, and maybe held out.

I LOVED Minkah, but I was fooled. He's a baby. I understand doing what's best for your career, but Flores, Grier, and Ross practically begged him to stay. They asked him to buy in to the program and the system. If he would have worked hard he could have been one of the highest paid DB's in the league come next contract. He punked out because he thought it was too hard. The moment he faced adversity he quit. Period.

"Fin D wrote:

Sorry bro, that I don't agree with.

I think there are certainly people that is true for, but there are people it isn't true for.

We have to be careful about making general sweeping statements that apply to all humans because we are individuals.

I personally saw no evidence of Minkah slacking off or quitting ON the team.

It's human psychology. I'm not saying 100% of the people have that issue, but very few people have the ability to be so frustrated with a situation that they want out, but their effort level stays the same as when they were 100% committed.

I would argue that is incredibly unlikely for someone to not have the job performance fall, at least a little bit, once they've decided that they're leaving.

"Pauly wrote:

Wanting a new job is not quitting, unless you get onto Mirriam Webster and get him to change the definition for you.

Merriam Webster says Minkah quit:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quit

because one acceptable use is definition 1c and 1d: "to depart from or out of" and "to leave the company of". It's the usage of quit the posters who are talking about giving notice you'll leave a job are referring to.

"danmarino wrote:

Minkah quit on and for the Dolphins. Basically, what he did equated to a 2 week notice for a normal employer. The moment I put in my 2 week notice, I quit. Does anyone believe that if the Dolphins had not received a decent offer, and Minkah had to stay, that he would have kept playing? I don't. I'd bet my house that if he ended up being told, "Well, we have no trade partners", he would have slacked off, and maybe held out.

I LOVED Minkah, but I was fooled. He's a baby. I understand doing what's best for your career, but Flores, Grier, and Ross practically begged him to stay. They asked him to buy in to the program and the system. If he would have worked hard he could have been one of the highest paid DB's in the league come next contract. He punked out because he thought it was too hard. The moment he faced adversity he quit. Period.

He's a baby because he doesn't want to sit through an engineered dumpster fire? Lol.

I worked at a job for almost a month after I quit because my new job wasn't ready for me and my old job had plenty of work for me to do and I still needed money.

I quit my job that I were I was working

"Silverphin wrote:

He's a baby because he doesn't want to sit through an engineered dumpster fire? Lol.

Yes. He get's paid to play for this team and do what he was told which was to play different positions. "But I don't wanna. I don't like it so I'm going to take my ball to another team." That's quitting on his team mates. Guess what. The Steelers may be just as big a dumpster fire. Watch out what you wish for. You just may get it.

"resnor wrote:

If I go to my boss and tell him I want to work for another company and my boss tries to convince me to stay, and I say no, and I give my two weeks and go to a different company. Then...

I. Quit. My. Job. Doesn't mean I stopped doing my job while I was there...but it still means I quit my job.

Except you arent under a contract that prevents you from walking away.

It's only quitting in his context if he flat out refuses to play his contract.

You guys need to stop making up new definitions for the word quit, it's getting annoying.

"Silverphin wrote:

He's a baby because he doesn't want to sit through an engineered dumpster fire? Lol.

He's a baby because when the going got tough he quit.

"danmarino wrote:

He's a baby because when the going got tough he quit.

So basically anyone who leaves a job or a workplace that doesn't sit right with them is a baby, not a grown person who understands when something isn't working out, going by y'all's logic.

Tell you what, since the Steelers are with Big Ben now, come talk to me when he starts whining during their losing season. Otherwise, all I see is grown men getting butthurt over another grown man's decision.

"Silverphin wrote:

So basically anyone who leaves a job or a workplace that doesn't sit right with them is a baby, not a grown person who understands when something isn't working out, going by y'all's logic.

Tell you what, since the Steelers are with Big Ben now, come talk to me when he starts whining during their losing season. Otherwise, all I see is grown men getting butthurt over another grown man's decision.

The only one butthurt is Minkah....and it seems, you.

"danmarino wrote:

The only one butthurt is Minkah....and it seems, you.

Says the person calling Minkah a baby and calling him coddled. But okay.

"Fin D wrote:

Ok, you're really not understanding this at all. It may be my fault for not explaining it better. It may also be that you're too emotional over all this to look at it objectively.

Question- why the heck did you stop posting for a few years and intentionally choose to come back for this season? LOL, just curious since most of the fandom is bailing.

You can PM me the answer if you don't want it public...just curious what changed for you this year. Hopefully all is well in life.

"resnor wrote:

It's human psychology. I'm not saying 100% of the people have that issue, but very few people have the ability to be so frustrated with a situation that they want out, but their effort level stays the same as when they were 100% committed.

I would argue that is incredibly unlikely for someone to not have the job performance fall, at least a little bit, once they've decided that they're leaving.

Maybe, but with this particular career, his job is very public and his performance as a lame duck can still hurt or hinder his career.

"Silverphin wrote:

Says the person calling Minkah a baby and calling him coddled. But okay.

Look, Minkah was upset about being played all over the place. The team did that because he was that freaking talented, but he felt like he belonged in slot corner. Someone probably put it in his head that if he stayed bouncing around, it could mean 10-20M less on his next contract in a few years. He's a dominant slot corner...he's good everywhere else. So of course he wanted to just play slot.

Did Minkah actually say, I quit? No. He made his feelings known and kept playing hard. Minkah is not a quitter of football. But he did make it known that he wasn't happy and would prefer to play for a team that would appreciate his slot corner talents more. That's called a contract dispute, a problem with middle management or whatever nifty phrase we want to apply. It's not quitting because he's still in the NFL....if he just flat-out quit, then he'd be retired. He didn't do that.

Minkah did give up on this team though- they tried to work things out with him and he refused. I can't blame him- who wants to be all-in on a tanking team? I get it. But you guys are arguing over a word here- "quit", "give-up" and similar language. He clearly did that or he'd still be a Dolphin. Nobody is saying he didn't give maximum effort last Sunday....he clearly did. But he quit on the Dolphins all the same.

Call it what you will- a labor dispute, a personnel transfer or quitting....it really doesn't matter except for arguing here. But this is 100% senseless because everyone pretty much agrees on what transpired.