Known guys whom have uprooted for much less than that.

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The offensive coordinator's job is to score points. If this team scores more points, we will win more games. If we win more games, Philbin will not lose his job. The incoming OC's performance almost directly relates to whether Philbin stays next year IMO.

a Defensive Coordinators job is to allow the least amount of points possible. Coyle, while other parts of his coaching is frustrating, gets that part right.

therefore the incoming OC just has to live up to his side of the bargain. if he doesn't feel he can do that, he's not our guy anyway. **** him.

 

Ross is always a year late cutting ties...a year late firing Sparano, a year late firing Ireland, probably a year late on letting Philbin go if/when it happens this time next year.

 

more points certainly doesn't guarantee more wins, 2011 proved that when we all got our wish of Henning retiring, Daboll came in and improved our offensive output but our record didn't improve...we actually won less games.

 

in 2012 we were 7th in the NFL in points against (19.8) and in 2013 we were 8th (20.9). Coyle does a very good job in keeping opposing teams out of the endzone

the problem is that in 2012 we avg 18.6 and in 2013 we avg 19.8 PPG.

what if we just got that number up to 24? Presumably Coyle will continue to do his job, can the new OC do his? (this wouldn't even put us in the top half of the league in scoring, btw, but we would be such a better team with such a minimal improvement)

 

this is the nfl. No job is guaranteed. The giants don't make the playoffs next year, Coughlin is definitely gone. McAdoo isn't guaranteed his job will be safe by 2015. In fact, McAdoo taking the giants job kind of proves my whole point.

 

If it's true that The Big Eared One offered more money to Ireland to take a demotion and stay with the team then he truly is the clueless idiot that he's rumored to be around the league. I hope that's not true because if it is it shows a level of cluelessness that is just embarrassing.

 

This. And just the amount of turnover around the league this year alone supports this.

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I suspect Ross's issue is he WANTS to be liked.

He's not a confrontational type of owner, which can work if you have the right people in place.

We don't have them in place.

 

I posted a thread late season about how many 4 point games we had. I think it was 9 and believe we won 5? Regardless, close.


Don't think I buy all this Ross failing crap. Lots of variables. Not sure it's "one and done" for anyone.

Of course the record don't lie.

 

If this is directly related to macdoo going to the giants then it's a silly argument. Do you think macdoo genuinely believes that his contract is any stronger at ny than here? There was enough talk to suggest that Coughlin was gonna get fired this off-season. His position hasn't magically got stronger by hiring macdoo, in the same way that philbins isn't now weaker. If the incoming OC does his job properly and we win more then everyone will get to stay. If he doesn't then it's goodbye.
As for not having plans in place my question would be how do you know he doesn't? Maybe this is the plan. Have we missed on any GM targets? Are we massively time limited? I'd rather Ross took his time and made the right decision.
Like all message boards this one is quite bi-polar. It's feast or famine. When macdoo was mentioned there was a lot of underwhelmed posts. Now we don't have him some posters are acting like he was gonna be the second coming.

 

I agree. With a sub 500 record after his first two seasons and a new GM coming in to take over player personnel decisions, Philbin goes into next season on the hot seat. The new OC will be expected to implement his offense in one year and help get this team into the playoffs next year. Failure to do this may mean that Philbin will be fired and the new OC will also be out of job with the Dolphins after only one season with the Dolphins. Just as Daboll was released after serving only one year as the Dolphins OC after Sparano was fired in 2011.

It would appear that Philbin would have preferred McAdoo, since they both worked together with the Packers. Obviously McAdoo felt the OC position with the Giants was a better opportunity and perhaps he didn't want to take the chance to come to Miami and end up looking for a new coaching position after only one year. It appears at this time that the Dolphins are still having trouble hiring top quality coaches because the Dolphins are still seen as a team in turmoil in the front office.

Hopefully the signing of a top quality GM will eventually alleviate the concerns of coaches who may be avoiding coming to the Dolphins at this time. I also hope that the new OC candidates are not avoiding the Dolphins because Philbin is forcing the next OC to accept all the offensive coaches now on the Dolphins. Because I can certainly understand the new OC wanting input into who the QB coach and offensive line coach will be next year. Why Taylor and Turner weren't fired along with Sherman is a complete mystery to me.

 

I think this is partly right but I personally don't see Coughlin or Philbin having a guaranteed shot at another 2 years. What NY has is a settled office. That's the only difference. We don't have a GM but it's not turmoil. That's hyperbole. If the owner was heading to jail, the GM actively seeking alternate employment, and the coach giving say Alabama a wink, that would be turmoil. We need a GM. We need an OC. We'll get both and I'm confident we will pick the right people.

 

I'm disappoint Xanders has not been hired. Gotta know the good thing when it hits you. Other than that, so far so good as far as leadership.

 

I agree 100 percent. He is the most qualified candidate out there. Let's get a deal done and restore some stability in the FO. Will make Miami more attractive to top OC's as well since they will know the situation with the GM and HC better.

 

Why is it that people on this board refuse to believe members of this team can learn/grow/improve?

 

Well I mean the past track record would indicate that we learn crap from our mistakes but I'm optimistic :)

 

I agree that Ross has not handled things as best as possible. There was too much hesitation in the firing of people.

 

I'm confused

Two years ago Ross tried to put a plan in place before firing anyone by interviewing Harbough and was criticized for it. Now he fires Ireland before he has a replacement in hand and is being criticized for being unprepared?

It seems to me that Ross and Peterson put together a pretty impressive list of potential GM candidates fairly quickly and have interviewed the majority of these candidates, all within a weeks time. No sure how much faster you think this process should move.

 

Because I'm not a negative person. Because hoping we avoid the least worst option seems self defeating. Because sitting their being unhappy that Ross hasn't made a decision to satisfy a message board is the best thing. People will turn these jobs down. The reasons won't be because Miami is cursed with Ross or philbin or Aponte or the ghost of Dan Marino. It'll be because there are other places they'd prefer to work. Ross didn't get rich, unbelievably rich, by making stupid decisions. Have some faith. Have some hope.

 

This right here exactly! I am a family man myself and have turned down multiple promotions because of the factors that play into how it could effect my family. It took me having kids to really think about that aspect. I can honestly see how some on here without kids cannot understand this. The comfort of knowing you have years is huge. I am shocked that Lazor did not take the lions job if offered. New coach means he probably has multiple years and let's face it. The KNOWN talent level on the lions is greater then in Miami which could lead to a promotion to head coach.

 

It's so easy to criticize a self made billionaire, remember the long list of coaching and czars that this team has gone through, Parcells did you think he would fix it, there are 5 or 6 teams that are in good shape in the NFL, it is not easy to get the right people!!!!!!

 

How can you agree with this AFTER we landed Lazor? It makes no sense.

 

Ross is going to wear a badge a shame for quite a while with the Harbaugh mishandling. Why? 3 seasons...3 NFC championship games. Meanwhile, Peyton Manning has run up 26 regular season wins in 2 seasons. He has more playoff bi's in 2 seasons, than we have wins in the last decade. Mishandling highly coveted football men who have gone on to be elite cogs in the meat grinder of a team that dominates this league, will continue to be the mud on Ross' face. They are in the 15% of special teams that are elite and dominate. Ross had the tip of his finger on them, but couldn't real em in. Because he chased one coach, while employing another. Because Manning had to sit across a dinner table from Jeff Ireland. Because he did not know when to amputate. And so he will wear the badge of incompetent...until he makes us a winner. But it is hard to crack into that top 15%.

If he had fired Sparano when he should have, and offer Harbaugh a brinks truck of money and a house on Star Island, we would be perennial play-off contenders.

If he had fired Ireland and Sparano, sat down at Joe's and said to Manning..."who do you want to win a Super Bowl with"...
Will he do?

Then we would probably still be playing football. If that lunk-head Fox can win so much with Manning, imagine what Fisher would do, especially considering the defensive side of the ball too.

I'm not sure where the next meal ticket to the elite 15% is, but I hope he can pull it out of his ***. Ross has failed to pull in two instantly gratifying NFL dynamos. Hopefully he can cultivate a winner though. In the meantime, I can see why fans will rag on him. But I like what I see thus far this off-season. And with this GM search, it seems like there are more great prospects than there are job openings. So I can't see this ending too poorly. From there, we hope and see.

 

Obviously Manning over Tannehill is great for 2-3 seasons but what after that? Not sure we are in the worst position there.

There is no guarantee Harbaugh would have come here. Maybe he does...I don't know.

Glad Fisher isn't here. Always will be.

 

I like Fisher, but I just use him as an example of luring Manning here. I don't consider "losing" Fisher a loss, otherwise.

 

You'd develop somebody else.

If Denver wins the Super Bowl this year do you think they'll care if they take a step back 2 years from now when Manning retires?

And you still could've drafted Tannehill. We probably wouldn't have but it could have been done.

 

I doubt Manning plays two more years honestly. But I wouldn't trade a long term plan aimed at multiple super bowls for the potential to win just one.

The only way I'd have wanted Manning was if we drafted a QB early as well, but the odds of that were slim.

 

Does anyone really think that Manning didn't come here because Ross is a boob and Jeff Ireland is an a-hole?

Manning took a look at our personnel and coaches, compared them with what Denver had (which included Elway), and we never had a chance. He saw what Denver did with Tebow at the helm, mentally plugged himself in instead of Tebow, and the rest was a no-brainer. The interview was a courtesy. If he had played here with this offensive line and the blocking and blitz pickups of our backs and tight ends, he'd be in a wheelchair. The last thing Manning was is stupid.

 

I'd gladly pass on the risk of whiffing on a rookie QB, in exchange for 3-5 seasons with Manning. No question.

 

Please link the evidence that Manning didn't come here because of Ireland and Ross.....

 

Our team was comparable to Denver's. Our line WAS much better then, than it is now. Our defense was just as good as Denver's. We HAD Brandon Marshall and a good RB coming off a 1,000 yd season. We could have let him hand pick his coach. And why not? You really think it's Foxy up there doing all that damage? Yes, he saw Ireland...the shining example of our dysfunction. No Ireland bein an ******* wasn't the only reason he passed. But it was a glaring example of why not to come here. Manning lives in SoFla. He idolized Marino, not Elway. There was a path that we could have taken, and landed him. We didn't get it done.

 

Sure, right after you link evidence that he DIDN'T come here because of them. No BS, PC, mouth-pieces either.

 

I get all that, but our record was what?