Ok we had a friendly debate yesterday at work about who is your Mt. Rushmore of Baseball of living players....
So can be playing right now or retired but has to be living.....Accused of steroids, greenies, or whatever...if you are living, and played/ing baseball you are game...
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For me?
1) Hammer
2) Say Hey
3) The Kid
4) Nolan
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2) Jeff Karstens
3) Matt Tuiasosopo
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Seriously though I'd go with Wille Mays, Hank Aaron, Barry Bonds and Pedro Martinez.
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Josh Willingham, Dontrelle Willis, Todd Hollingsworth, and Cody Ross
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I agree, on top of being a gold glove CF...Griffey was the best natural home run hitter maybe ever. Fact is if he would've juiced he would've hit about 900 home runs IMO because of the fantastic recovery from injuries hgh provides.
Non sauce list??
Griffey
Mays
Nolan
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Why are we so quick to say Griffey didn't juice? Fact is, everyone from this era is suspect. Everyone.
Just look at all the steroid users from the Seattle clubhouse in the 90s. Notice how Mr. Griffey was damn durable during his days in Seattle, hardly missing any games except half a season for a broken wrist in 1995, and 1994 he leads the league in Home Runs despite only playing 111 games (strike) with 40 homers.
And then his body completely breaks down and he starts losing power. And speed. And range.BlameItOnTheHenne, gunn34 and finyank13 like this. -
I don't think Griffey juiced. The signs weren't there. It's very difficult to keep that a secret. Alex Rodriguez gave a boatload of cash to keep people's mouths shut and that didn't work.
If A-Rod and Bonds both didn't play with any sort of PED's, they would have still hit over 600 HR's. They're incredible hitters, much like Pujols and Cabrera are, and Griffey was. I have no doubt if healthy, Miguel Cabrera is getting to 600, he turns 32 in 4 days, he has a lot of time to get there.Boik14 likes this. -
Babe Ruth
Ty Cobb
Griffey
Nolan Ryan
All modern guys:
Greg Maddux
Derek Jeter
Tony Gwynn
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I'd say Pre-1998 Bonds was a better player than Griffey who had power, but wasn't as much of base stealer but that could be due to the league (AL vs. NL).
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B) He had a natural lift in his swing. The homers came rather easily for him. Not that they didn't for Bonds but Bonds had more speed then power especially when he came up. He became a power guy as he grew up and in to his body. People forget Griffey came up at 19 and was going to be a star.
Griffey will always be the GOAT for this generation. He, Jeter and Frank Thomas would shock me more then anyone from that era if they juiced. There are certain players I believe do things the right way either because of what they do or because of what they say and do. Some players surprised me far more then others. McGwire was almost washed up in Oakland. Sosa was an average player in Texas. Clemens looked like he might be in decline when he moved on from Boston. Those are signs IMO. Bonds doubling in size from the time he was a rookie was a sign. Sure players get bigger but he went from Griffey sized to Frank Thomas sized. Get real if you think that's legit lolFin-Omenal likes this. -
The problem with Bonds career is exactly what you said...no one knows when the steroids started for sure. Therefore it's impossible to put a timeline and accurately assess his career pre and post steroids. My personal opinion of Bonds is that he was a schmuck. He would have been in the HOF without juicing IMO. Guy had ridiculous hand eye coordination. I think ego drove him to juice because he needed to be the HR king. Because he wanted to make sure he was as good as his dad Bobby but even more so as good as his godfather, Willie Mays. -
And why would you put Bonds in the baseball Mount Rushmore? Because FinYank said PEDs didn't matter so if you don't factor it in he was the better player.BlameItOnTheHenne and finyank13 like this. -
Look we really don't know who did what and when they did it. And most importantly we truly don't know what effects PEDs really have on players. How many random nobodies have been caught with them and we make jokes saying "he should get his money back" or "must not have took the right stuff". I'm not saying PEDs don't help we simply don't know how much. Who's to say that if Arod or Bonds didn't take PEDs they wouldn't have had similar careers. There are certain guys I don't think took PEDs but I wouldn't be shocked if it came out they did. I personally know certain players that did take PEDs but it has never come out in public that they did. Jose Canseco has said there are players in the HOF who have took PEDs in the past. We just don't know. It's a slippery slope.
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When did Bonds get busted for steroids? I have never heard another player accusing him of it.....only media people saying they suspect it.
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