My opinion we dont have a bigtime coach or Qb

"Fireland wrote:

He never had bad weapons though. Even the one year without Hopkins he still had Cooks and Fuller which doesn't sound good now but it was pretty solid then.

What was really impressive though is how porous his OL was with a non-existent running game in some cases, and he still put up elite stats. But yes at least on the WR side it wasn't as bad.

"Fireland wrote:

The amount of time not playing plus the unknown mental toll of the allegations should have made every team cautious.

Definitely.

A lot of frauds out there.

What's the fraud scale for losing to a .500 team with a rookie QB at home?

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

What's the fraud scale for losing to a .500 team with a rookie QB at home?

It's not just Cinci losing, Jacksonville lost and Ravens lost!!! This is a fantastic day so far.

Oh, and nice to see Belichick lose another one lol.

"cbrad wrote:

It's not just Cinci losing, Jacksonville lost and Ravens lost!!! This is a fantastic day so far.

Oh, and nice to see Belichick lose another one lol.

Give me a Jets and Bills loss and the Dolphins would have the best bye week of all time.

Trevor Lawrence and the Jags, my god everyone was riding them all week as a top five team in the league.

Joe Burrow played horrific all game, if not for the Texans trying to hand them the game with 4 minutes left it would have looked worse.

Lamar Jackson is a terrible quarterback. Whatever you can have those 3-4 highlight plays per game, other than that he is awful.

I wonder how much the media will use the words "fraud" towards them this week though.

Great weekend for the Dolphins, so far.

"Fireland wrote:

Mac is just as good as Tua I heard

Not saying Jones is…that would be silly but like with so many rookie or young quarterbacks in the league, teams don’t develop offensive schemes that play to those quarterbacks strengths.

“This is the NFL…this is how we do it”, which is why so many quarterbacks that COULD have had successful careers fail. Teams ask them to play schemes that are contrary to what they do well.

The Patriots are in full rebuild mode, whether they realize it or not. Belichick’s time in NE has come to an end and if Kraft was smart, he’ll let Belichick go, hire an actual GM and take a page out of Miami’s playbook…strip the team and get as many draft picks as possible.

But even if they were to do that, I can’t think of a HC candidate off the top of my head that would be able to endure and come out of a rebuild like that.

The Patriots are going the be the dumpster of the AFC East for at least 10 years.

The Dolphins are a Bills loss away from a perfect bye week.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

What's the fraud scale for losing to a .500 team with a rookie QB at home?

Burrow with 2 4th quarter interceptions, image if Tua did that. To be fair, he threw a good ball on the 3rd and goal that the receiver just flat out dropped in the endzone which would have put them ahead 31-27.

CJ Stroud just seems to have it, he's going to be special.

I wonder how the ESPN QBR works as it seems to be very subjective. Burrow had a passer rating of 90 (average) yet a QBR of 37 which is horrible. Meanwhile Stroud had a passer rating of 87 (slightly below average) while a QBR of 71.1 which is very, very good as the top rated QB's on the season are 76,75,72,72, 69. They have Tua down in 8th place with a QBR of 65.

"Springveldt wrote:

I wonder how the ESPN QBR works as it seems to be very subjective. Burrow had a passer rating of 90 (average) yet a QBR of 37 which is horrible. Meanwhile Stroud had a passer rating of 87 (slightly below average) while a QBR of 71.1 which is very, very good as the top rated QB's on the season are 76,75,72,72, 69. They have Tua down in 8th place with a QBR of 65.

No one knows. It's based on EPA, but then has 10,000+ lines of proprietary code trying to account for all kinds of "context", including "clutch" etc. ESPN had a major embarrassment on their hands with QBR when people noticed that the highest ever QBR of 99.9 belongs to Charlie Batch, who in 2010 went 12 for 17 for 186 yards with 3 TDs and 2 INTs.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/1490/type/nfl/year/2010

Something is VERY wrong with their proprietary metric when that is supposedly the greatest game ever played by a QB.

Also shows you how difficult it is to "account for context" in a consistent way that doesn't lead to such embarrassing results. ESPN put a lot of effort into this.

"cbrad wrote:

Sadly the sentiment of a bunch of posters goes well beyond that. We have posters saying Tua will doom the franchise once we sign him long term, that Mac Jones and Tannehill (who has now officially been demoted as backup) would do as well in this offense as Tua. The idea that you can take some of the worst performing QBs in the league, substitute them into this offense and expect #1 offense production is nothing less than ridiculous. You have to have an agenda to make those kinds of claims.

This isn't about Marino or Shula. It's about holding onto pre-draft views that Tua can't play at a high level unless he's got an elite surrounding cast, ignoring how difficult it is for any QB to sustain such production regardless of surrounding cast, and ignoring Tua's ability to play elite despite a bad OL. Sample size and playoff success are the only viable criticisms left, and the first one is slowly dissipating.

We have posters saying that Sam Howell is better than Tua.

cbrad is 100% correct. These posters hate Tua because Tua has shown that he's far better than they said he would be before the draft. They were angry that the Dolphins picked him over a guy like Herbert. Most (not all) of these posters have had no problem admitting when they have been wrong about other players. We've all been wrong about players. For some reason they can't stand that they have been wrong about Tua. Now, some of these people are clearly not Dolphins fans, they are trolls, but even when faced with irrefutable proof of being wrong they still choose to die on a hill that has been leveled.

Tua has had back-to-back elite seasons. Last season his ONLY criticism should have been he was injured. And even then, injuries happen to all players and it's unfair to base worth on injuries such as the ones he received. It's not like Tua is constantly pulling a groin or something else that shows poor physical traits. The hit he took against Cinci last year was brutal and unreasonable. Any QB taking that hit would have been concussed and if Tua had been Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, or nearly any other QB the player who hit them would have been flagged, fined, and considered a POS. When it happens to Tua, Tua is called "injury prone". And even when Tua works on a method to prevent those types of injures he's ridiculed and mocked. It's absurd.

If Tua keeps up this pace for the rest of the season there is no reasonable person that wouldn't declare him as an elite QB. Remember though, elite players don't have elite games or seasons over and over. Sure, some of the greatest ever, Rice, Brady, Marino, Manning, etc typically did have many elite seasons in a row, and no one is claiming that Tua will even be in that category (he may one day be), but for some reason if Tua doesn't do that then he's a bust. If he does do that it's because of his surrounding cast. According to some here, and even though he's playing elite right now, he's still "average at best" or " a product of the system. It's just ridiculous at this point.

Even though I started this post I xan still see this team winning 12-13 games

"pumpdogs wrote:

Even though I started this post I xan still see this team winning 12-13 games

I think 12 is going to be our upper limit. 11 is more likely.

"pumpdogs wrote:

Even though I started this post I xan still see this team winning 12-13 games

Lol, this is why you shouldn't drunk rage post without thinking things through first.

"pumpdogs wrote:

Even though I started this post I xan still see this team winning 12-13 games

Yeah not a good follow up post after a ridiculous orginal post.

You should just delete this crap altogether

"danmarino wrote:

We have posters saying that Sam Howell is better than Tua.

cbrad is 100% correct. These posters hate Tua because Tua has shown that he's far better than they said he would be before the draft. They were angry that the Dolphins picked him over a guy like Herbert. Most (not all) of these posters have had no problem admitting when they have been wrong about other players. We've all been wrong about players. For some reason they can't stand that they have been wrong about Tua. Now, some of these people are clearly not Dolphins fans, they are trolls, but even when faced with irrefutable proof of being wrong they still choose to die on a hill that has been leveled.

Tua has had back-to-back elite seasons. Last season his ONLY criticism should have been he was injured. And even then, injuries happen to all players and it's unfair to base worth on injuries such as the ones he received. It's not like Tua is constantly pulling a groin or something else that shows poor physical traits. The hit he took against Cinci last year was brutal and unreasonable. Any QB taking that hit would have been concussed and if Tua had been Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, or nearly any other QB the player who hit them would have been flagged, fined, and considered a POS. When it happens to Tua, Tua is called "injury prone". And even when Tua works on a method to prevent those types of injures he's ridiculed and mocked. It's absurd.

If Tua keeps up this pace for the rest of the season there is no reasonable person that wouldn't declare him as an elite QB. Remember though, elite players don't have elite games or seasons over and over. Sure, some of the greatest ever, Rice, Brady, Marino, Manning, etc typically did have many elite seasons in a row, and no one is claiming that Tua will even be in that category (he may one day be), but for some reason if Tua doesn't do that then he's a bust. If he does do that it's because of his surrounding cast. According to some here, and even though he's playing elite right now, he's still "average at best" or " a product of the system. It's just ridiculous at this point.

“The Indicters”

Definition: pundits and fans who DONT have the ability to see the elite traits of Tua and who are not excited and have great respect for our franchise Qb

"pumpdogs wrote:

Hard to argue but so far this QB ,and HC have come up small when we play good.teams.
These are simple facts and good luck with any argument.

This post is dumb on so many levels it’s not worth getting into

End thread

What’s funny is all these “bad” teams would be winners if it wasn’t for the lose we put on them.

"Finatik wrote:

What’s funny is all these “bad” teams would be winners if it wasn’t for the lose we put on them.

It looks like week 4 really was Buffalo’s Superbowl this year.

Remember we only scored 70 because it was against the “terrible” Broncos who have now beat KC and Buffalo.

"Springveldt wrote:

It looks like week 4 really was Buffalo’s Superbowl this year.

Remember we only scored 70 because it was against the “terrible” Broncos who have now beat KC and Buffalo.

It really was their Superbowl. 2-4 since.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Which astounds me since the Cowboys have been a hot mess since Jimmy and Jerry divorced.

They are interesting this year. Look great one week and not so much the next. Seems to depend on the week

"Springveldt wrote:

It looks like week 4 really was Buffalo’s Superbowl this year.

Remember we only scored 70 because it was against the “terrible” Broncos who have now beat KC and Buffalo.

Broncos now look like a different team. Really a stunning turn around. Guess that guy can coach a bit after all.

"dolphin25 wrote:

Broncos now look like a different team. Really a stunning turn around. Guess that guy can coach a bit after all.

I think initial expectations are too often unrealistic. Sure the Broncos have a Super Bowl winning quarterback but did anyone truly believe Payton was going to come in and the Broncos were just going to take off like a bat out of hell?

It takes time for new coach’s schemes to take root. McDaniel lucked out a bit here in Miami offensively but we all see how it took several weeks for Fangio’s defense to start gelling.

I don’t think Denver has any realistic shot at the playoffs but they are certainly going to play spoiler now for teams that are vying for them.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I think 12 is going to be our upper limit. 11 is more likely.

We still play:

Raiders (2-game winning streak against bad teams)
@ Jets (no offense to speak of, but @Jets and that defense does make this a little questionable)
Washington (dumpster fire of a season)
Titans (even more of a dumpster fire)
Jets (should be a blowout)
Cowboys (pretty good team, maybe a loss)
@Ravens (good team but we've spanked them two seasons in a row, made Lamar look dumb)
Bills (as in the 2023, 2nd half of the season Bills. No longer scary)

I personally see us getting to 11 wins with three games left to play. Cowboys and @Ravens will be tough games, and the Bills at home could be a challenge if the Bills start playing like the Bills again. But to me it feels more likely that we are resting starters in week 18.

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see us finish 8-0 or 7-1.

Let this thread die I implore you all

"djphinfan wrote:

Let this thread die I employee you all

How much you paying us, dog?