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"pumpdogs wrote:

Dude how can u look in mirror and even argue with me.Its embarrassing.The Dolphins under McDaniel are 1-5 against Bills.
Allen is a choker in playoffs but how far away are we competing against the elite teams when we can't even beat them?

The Dolphins, under McDaniel, are 8-0 against their other division opponents. One of those losses against the Bills was by 3 points in Buffalo, with their 3rd string rookie QB.

Keep ignoring all context though… it looks really smart.

"danmarino wrote:

The Dolphins, under McDaniel, are 8-0 against their other division opponents. One of those losses against the Bills was by 3 points in Buffalo, with their 3rd string rookie QB.

Keep ignoring all context though… it looks really smart.

I do look smart.because I am giving actual facts that u can't deny.And a loss is loss.Do u think the raiders were celebrating when they were close.to beating us last year when Ramsey made that pick to seal the game?A loss is a loss.
So yes we are 1-5 and nothing u can say will change that And we beat the Jets and Pats but like I said who won the division?It doesn't matter how the Bills got there it's that they won the division and we didn't as usual!

"pumpdogs wrote:

I do look smart.because I am giving actual facts that u can't deny.And a loss is loss.Do u think the raiders were celebrating when they were close.to beating us last year when Ramsey made that pick to seal the game?A loss is a loss.
So yes we are 1-5 and nothing u can say will change that And we beat the Jets and Pats but like I said who won the division?It doesn't matter how the Bills got there it's that they won the division and we didn't as usual!

The Dolphins plane crashed on the way to the game.
Bills won though so nothing else matters.
That’s how you sound.

The dolphins are one of the most talents teams in the NFL. No one with any objectivity or an ounce of reasonableness would say differently.

"danmarino wrote:

The Dolphins plane crashed on the way to the game.
Bills won though so nothing else matters.
That’s how you sound.

The dolphins are one of the most talents teams in the NFL. No one with any objectivity or an ounce of reasonableness would say differently.

So did they win division last year?A playoff game in last years?
U act like we are the Chiefs or the Pats with Brady?
If ur happy with 2nd place and wIth
Opening round loss I guess ur right.
I expect more with all that draft capital we had.
And I'll go out on limb here and say the Jets will win the division and we will finish third and out of playoffs this year.
I hope I am wrong because I am not an ego driven fan but that is how I see it.
Last year I bought into the bullshit and thought this team was legit but won't happen again this year.We will start strong like last 2 years and fade in the end but this time fall short of even a wildcard.

"pumpdogs wrote:

So did they win division last year?A playoff game in last years?
U act like we are the Chiefs or the Pats with Brady?
If ur happy with 2nd place and wIth
Opening round loss I guess ur right.
I except more with all that draft capital we had.
And I'll go out on limb here and say the Jets will win the division and we will finish third and out of playoffs this year.
I hope I am wrong because I am not an ego driven fan but that is how I see it.
Last year I bought into the bull**** and thought this team was legit but won't happen again this year.We will start strong like last 2 years and fade in the end but this time fall short of even a wildcard.

It just seems you don’t know how to look at all the facts. You call the Bills elite, but they also lost to the Chiefs, who went on to win the SB. You claim the Dolphins never beat elite teams, yet they have over the last two seasons. You seem to just gloss over the fact that the Dolphins literally had players that were on the couch the week before their last few games. You don’t seem to understand the effects losing multiple starters. You also refuse to see the actual talent on the team. You aren’t comprehending the fact that they still won 11 games, the same number as the Bills and one more than the Chiefs, even though they suffered devastating injuries.

"pumpdogs wrote:

So did they win division last year?A playoff game in last years?
U act like we are the Chiefs or the Pats with Brady?
If ur happy with 2nd place and wIth
Opening round loss I guess ur right.
I expect more with all that draft capital we had.
And I'll go out on limb here and say the Jets will win the division and we will finish third and out of playoffs this year.
I hope I am wrong because I am not an ego driven fan but that is how I see it.
Last year I bought into the bull**** and thought this team was legit but won't happen again this year.We will start strong like last 2 years and fade in the end but this time fall short of even a wildcard.

Also, what is it with you not using the spacebar after a period? It’s very distracting. Lol

"danmarino wrote:

It just seems you don’t know how to look at all the facts. You call the Bills elite, but they also lost to the Chiefs, who went on to win the SB. You claim the Dolphins never beat elite teams, yet they have over the last two seasons. You seem to just gloss over the fact that the Dolphins literally had players that were on the couch the week before their last few games. You don’t seem to understand the effects losing multiple starters. You also refuse to see the actual talent on the team. You aren’t comprehending the fact that they still won 11 games, the same number as the Bills and one more than the Chiefs, even though they suffered
Wow!U are like debating a dead worm.
Where did I say the Bills are elite?
I said Allen is a choker and where does that put us as we can't beat them?
And tell me our record playing good teams last year?
I am waiting for ur responce?

F.ace the facts this team is pretenders!

I would stop responding ur not doing urself any favors.U just sound like blind Homer.
At least I admitt when I was wrong but ur incapable of it.

I think emotions are starting to run a bit high. Dial it back a bit.

If anyone is using playoff wins as THE measuring stick to determine whether or not the Dolphins are a good team…a great team, you’re using a flawed form of measurement.

At the end of the day, you either won or you lost. That much is true but there are many other determining factors, one of which I would submit is overall output. I’ll get back to that in a second.

While everyone likes to point at players, no one in these discussions point to coaches. We all have to remember, players on the field are nothing more than chess pieces on the board that are being maneuvered by the coaching staff. Coach calls this play and players execute THAT play. If it succeeds, the players are praised and immortalized. If it fails the players are booed and hissed and told how badly they suck. But the players did what they were told to do. Keep that in the back of your mind for a moment.

Anyone who disagrees the Dolphins overall output for the last 2 seasons under the McDaniel regime has been poor is being disingenuous. Offensively the team has led or nearly led the league in yards, points scored and time of possession. This is undeniable. It can’t be disputed. Defensively, the defense rated much better last season than they had in 2022 with Boyer as DC. The players were doing what was asked of them. Can’t fault them for that. So then the question becomes, with all of this league leading output, why didn’t it equate to more victories and a deep post season run? This is where folks tend to become unreasonable.

Whether you agree or disagree, injuries are always a factor. Only an unreasonable person would disagree. If anyone thinks Savon Ahmed is a better running back than Raheem Moestert, you’re being unreasonable. If anyone thinks Kendall Lamm is a better LT than Terron Armstead, you’re being unreasonable. If anyone thinks Liam Eichenburgh is a better Center than Conner Williams. You’re being unreasonable. I’ve beat this horse long enough.

Secondly, while everyone who is so emotionally wrapped around the axle as to why we didn’t win this game or that game, for crying out loud, can we not recognize that they opposition just played that much better? Since Josh Allen became the starter in Buffalo, the Bills have lost to the Dolphins only once. Why? The Dolphins had 2 cracks at the Chiefs last season and came up short both times. Why? Could it be the Chiefs are coached by one of the greatest living head coaches in the modern era?

The Dolphins have the talent, they have had the production and are indeed able to be that team we all want them to be.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

I think emotions are starting to run a bit high. Dial it back a bit.

If anyone is using playoff wins as THE measuring stick to determine whether or not the Dolphins are a good team…a great team, you’re using a flawed form of measurement.

At the end of the day, you either won or you lost. That much is true but there are many other determining factors, one of which I would submit is overall output. I’ll get back to that in a second.

While everyone likes to point at players, no one in these discussions point to coaches. We all have to remember, players on the field are nothing more than chess pieces on the board that are being maneuvered by the coaching staff. Coach calls this play and players execute THAT play. If it succeeds, the players are praised and immortalized. If it fails the players are booed and hissed and told how badly they suck. But the players did what they were told to do. Keep that in the back of your mind for a moment.

Anyone who disagrees the Dolphins overall output for the last 2 seasons under the McDaniel regime has been poor is being disingenuous. Offensively the team has led or nearly led the league in yards, points scored and time of possession. This is undeniable. It can’t be disputed. Defensively, the defense rated much better last season than they had in 2022 with Boyer as DC. The players were doing what was asked of them. Can’t fault them for that. So then the question becomes, with all of this league leading output, why didn’t it equate to more victories and a deep post season run? This is where folks tend to become unreasonable.

Whether you agree or disagree, injuries are always a factor. Only an unreasonable person would disagree. If anyone thinks Savon Ahmed is a better running back than Raheem Moestert, you’re being unreasonable. If anyone thinks Kendall Lamm is a better LT than Terron Armstead, you’re being unreasonable. If anyone thinks Liam Eichenburgh is a better Center than Conner Williams. You’re being unreasonable. I’ve beat this horse long enough.

Secondly, while everyone who is so emotionally wrapped around the axle as to why we didn’t win this game or that game, for crying out loud, can we not recognize that they opposition just played that much better? Since Josh Allen became the starter in Buffalo, the Bills have lost to the Dolphins only once. Why? The Dolphins had 2 cracks at the Chiefs last season and came up short both times. Why? Could it be the Chiefs are coached by one of the greatest living head coaches in the modern era?

The Dolphins have the talent, they have had the production and are indeed able to be that team we all want them to be.

And once again, context matters. The Dolphins lost to the Bills the second time, a depleted Dolphins team, because of a punt return for a TD. A depleted Dolphins defense held down the Bills pretty good. The depleted Dolphins offense scored the same amount of points as the Bills offense. The Dolphins defense gave up the same amount of points and actually (due to the 96 yrd punt return) had the Dolphins tied with less than half of the 4th quarter to go. Only a dummy would think a full strength Dolphins team wouldn’t have fared better considering that half of their starters were not playing.

"danmarino wrote:

Do you believe they don’t win the AFCE, get a home playoff game, and win at least one playoff game last season if not for injuries?

Ignoring all context is not a way to make judgements.

They win the east if Chub takes a few more steps before taking his helmet off vs Ten, but he didn't, and they didn't. Results are results.

I judge a GM by team building process and I like what Grier does. Objectively, I don't see how anyone can claim he is a bad drafter. I also don't see how they can claim he isn't elite at getting value with his trades. He builds teams for schemes and changes desired traits in players to match scheme. He swings for the fences on high value picks. Ceiling over floor, roll the dice on injuries, trust coaching to fix technique if physical traits are elite. I am here for that. Strive for greatness.

The team is good enough to win now, and was good enough to win last year. They got unlucky with injuries, it happens. It's also more likely to happen with how he builds teams. How he builds is also why his teams and players are more likely to put up all time performances. As stated, I am here for it. I think it is going to pay off with championships as well. I think the Dolphins are going to be perennially in the hunt and will be as good as their injury luck is with the potential to have true greatness.

"danmarino wrote:

Facts… right? Weren’t you just whining ab oh t someone disregarding facts?

Yes, it is a fact.

But you can't excuse the failed season based on injuries while simultaneously defending the guy who continues to create the problem.

Also, you just can't help but be inflammatory, can you? I wasn't "whining" (glad you spelled it right), I was legitimately asking how facts are being called "cherry picking."

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

It’s so confusing to me. I read all of this moaning and groaning about this year’s draft picks and using past draft picks to amplify the point. It’s just so confusing to me.

Xavier Howard. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?
Christian Wilkins. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?
Tua Tagovailoa. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?
Jaylen Waddle. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?
Devon Achane. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?

It’s just so confusing that Grier had one bonafide absolute BUST in Noah Igbinoghene and Grier’s entire draft record is defined by this ONE pick.

Some of our draft picks have been diamonds in the rough and are starting to develop into the players we had hoped they would be. Although I’m still not sold on Eichenburg, Jackson was a VERY pleasant surprise last season. Can he keep it up? Only time will tell.

I think everyone needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and put aside personal notions that just because the Dolphins didn’t draft “your player” then this draft is another bust.

It was well known by all I wanted Jackson Powers Johnson but because we didn’t get that stud IOL that I wanted, does that mean we sucked? Absolutely not.

Im an analytical football guy for a couple of hours a day and as I sit on my sofa. I’m not a paid analyst who researches players 12 hours a day, 7 days a week and getting a salary for it. And neither is anyone else.

Everyone take a chill-axative!

I'm confused. Who said, or even implied, that those guys were busts?

No one.

"danmarino wrote:

The Dolphins plane crashed on the way to the game.
Bills won though so nothing else matters.
That’s how you sound.

The dolphins are one of the most talents teams in the NFL. No one with any objectivity or an ounce of reasonableness would say differently.

You guys make every excuse for Tua, Grier, and McDaniel, yet you didn't give ANY excuses to guys like Tannehill, most recently.

I just don't agree that the Dolphins are "one of the most talented teams." Obviously we don't have the same thoughts on Tua, but we'll leave that aside. Hill/Waddle are absolutely great, but dues that mean we have the best receiving corps? Oline sucks. TE sucks. RB is good, but I don't think we have the best running backs. Defense has a bunch of problems also.

Regardless, most talented or not, we don't produce wins like the most talented team in the league.

I know I know, injuries.

"resnor wrote:

You guys make every excuse for Tua, Grier, and McDaniel, yet you didn't give ANY excuses to guys like Tannehill, most recently.

I just don't agree that the Dolphins are "one of the most talented teams." Obviously we don't have the same thoughts on Tua, but we'll leave that aside. Hill/Waddle are absolutely great, but dues that mean we have the best receiving corps? Oline sucks. TE sucks. RB is good, but I don't think we have the best running backs. Defense has a bunch of problems also.

Regardless, most talented or not, we don't produce wins like the most talented team in the league.

I know I know, injuries.

I know. Right? All of his bleeping BS and it comes down to injuries. lol.

These guys will be the first to complain about the offence line when Tua gets hurt.

"resnor wrote:

Yes, it is a fact.

But you can't excuse the failed season based on injuries while simultaneously defending the guy who continues to create the problem.

Also, you just can't help but be inflammatory, can you? I wasn't "whining" (glad you spelled it right), I was legitimately asking how facts are being called "cherry picking."

If GM’s didn’t draft or trade for players based solely on injuries no one would be playing. Nearly all players have suffered injuries. Pump ignored my question so I’ll ask you. Injured players like Burrows? He’s missed more games than Tua and he’s been the starter from day one. Injuries happen. And a player that tears an ACL may get injured some other way. How is a GM going to predict that?
You’re too sensitive, and you whine, a lot. You asked how facts are cherry picking and you had it explained to you, twice. And yet here you are trying to act like that’s not possible.

Here’s a fact, Chris Grier has a degree in journalism. What does that “fact” have to do with his ability to be a GM? It doesn’t. His degree has as much to do with his GM abilities as does the number of ROY players he’s drafted. ROY means very little when it comes to how good of a career a player will have.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda, we all will see next season, if the Dolphins are one of the most talented teams in the NFL. I sure hope so, but I don’t see it. I think we‘ll take a step back next year not in form of sucking but I‘m not really thinking we‘ll make the playoffs. For me that would not be enough to warrant for Grier to stay, but I have a feeling he‘ll be here no matter what happens…

"resnor wrote:

You guys make every excuse for Tua, Grier, and McDaniel, yet you didn't give ANY excuses to guys like Tannehill, most recently.

I just don't agree that the Dolphins are "one of the most talented teams." Obviously we don't have the same thoughts on Tua, but we'll leave that aside. Hill/Waddle are absolutely great, but dues that mean we have the best receiving corps? Oline sucks. TE sucks. RB is good, but I don't think we have the best running backs. Defense has a bunch of problems also.

Regardless, most talented or not, we don't produce wins like the most talented team in the league.

I know I know, injuries.

You should go back and actually read my posts about Tannehill before you just make sh!t up.

"danmarino wrote:

If GM’s didn’t draft or trade for players based solely on injuries no one would be playing. Nearly all players have suffered injuries. Pump ignored my question so I’ll ask you. Injured players like Burrows? He’s missed more games than Tua and he’s been the starter from day one. Injuries happen. And a player that tears an ACL may get injured some other way. How is a GM going to predict that?
You’re too sensitive, and you whine, a lot. You asked how facts are cherry picking and you had it explained to you, twice. And yet here you are trying to act like that’s now possible.

Here’s a fact, Chris Grier has a degree in journalism. What does that “fact” have to do with his ability to be a GM? It doesn’t. His degree has as much to do with his GM abilities as does the number of ROY players he’s drafted. ROY means very little when it comes to how good of a career a player will have.

Actually didn't see it until now.
But Burrow has at least done something in this league like actually get to a superbowl and is 3-1 against Mahomes.The Bengals Gm has failed him building a line just as we will be seeing Grier failing Tua.
My prediction u heard it here first.

"danmarino wrote:

If GM’s didn’t draft or trade for players based solely on injuries no one would be playing. Nearly all players have suffered injuries. Pump ignored my question so I’ll ask you. Injured players like Burrows? He’s missed more games than Tua and he’s been the starter from day one. Injuries happen. And a player that tears an ACL may get injured some other way. How is a GM going to predict that?
You’re too sensitive, and you whine, a lot. You asked how facts are cherry picking and you had it explained to you, twice. And yet here you are trying to act like that’s now possible.

Here’s a fact, Chris Grier has a degree in journalism. What does that “fact” have to do with his ability to be a GM? It doesn’t. His degree has as much to do with his GM abilities as does the number of ROY players he’s drafted. ROY means very little when it comes to how good of a career a player will have.

Well, the Bungels and Burrow actually achieved something in the same time frame, Tua and the Dolphins didn’t. Quite easy even with injuries and all…

"Sceeto wrote:

I know. Right? All of his bleeping BS and it comes down to injuries. lol.

"JJ_79 wrote:

Shoulda, coulda, woulda, we all will see next season, if the Dolphins are one of the most talented teams in the NFL. I sure hope so, but I don’t see it. I think we‘ll take a step back next year not in form of sucking but I‘m not really thinking we‘ll make the playoffs. For me that would not be enough to warrant for Grier to stay, but I have a feeling he‘ll be here no matter what happens…

Yeah, the team with the 9th best odds to win the SB won’t make the playoffs and aren’t talented. Lmao

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"danmarino wrote:

Yeah, the team with the 9th best odds to win the SB won’t make the playoffs and aren’t talented. Lmao

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It’s so amusing how you always make shit up! LOL! :oldtoker:

"JJ_79 wrote:

Shoulda, coulda, woulda, we all will see next season, if the Dolphins are one of the most talented teams in the NFL. I sure hope so, but I don’t see it. I think we‘ll take a step back next year not in form of sucking but I‘m not really thinking we‘ll make the playoffs. For me that would not be enough to warrant for Grier to stay, but I have a feeling he‘ll be here no matter what happens…

Don't be shocked if Miami takes the division this year.