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No Leadership - Agree or Disagree?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bpk, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. Dolphans Unite!

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    What I mean is that if you turn the ball over there and surrender a score, you put yourself in a position in which you have to pass the ball more in the second half.
     
  2. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

    That could go for any drive...why even play the game?

    Don't return the ball guys...we're just gonna turn it over...just give it to the Bills and let them play offense.
     
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  3. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    then why even play football? I get the idea to get into the locker room to work on the adjustments, but possessions are a precious thing in an NFL game. If Miami had driven and settled for a field goal on to end the first half, puts them in striking distance when it's the 4th quarter and they are only down by 13 points.
     
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  4. Dolphans Unite!

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    Since the team neither scored nor turned the ball over, and we can't rewrite history with one of those options or the other, I strongly doubt anybody's position on this issue is going to change at this point.
     
  5. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You weren't suddenly playing under different circumstances. It's still playing scared to a totally unacceptable degree.
     
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  6. Dolphans Unite!

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    Sure you are. The "suddenly different circumstances" are such that any Buffalo score is what you're going to go into the half having just suffered, after an entire first half of demoralization already.
     
  7. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

    A real leader pulls up his big boy pants and takes a shot. A coward tucks his tail. They definitely had a puncher's chance at some points.
     
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  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Not passing the ball, and calling timeouts in an attempt to get into FG range to end the 1st half did not cost us the game. Even Tannehill's inaccuracy on some passes nor the OL cost us the game. Blocked punt, KO return for a TD, muffed punt. STs lost the game for us, if one were to look at any one area.
     
  9. KeyFin

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    I held off commenting to see the 2nd half adjustments, but I was seething as well! We kept hearing about the improvements in the 2 minute offense yet we ran the ball 7 plays in a row with 3 timeouts. If anything, I would have been happier with a 3 and out after three shots at the end zone.

    As far as the leadership part goes, I think Lazor is a much bigger leader than anyone else we have at this point. I love Philbin, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day I don't think he's competent enough to hold all his assistants accountable for their sections. Last year I got the feeling that he was completely disconnected and that same feel crept back in today.
     
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  10. LBsFinest

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    lol
     
  11. finfansince72

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    This game looked like Dave Wannestadt was coaching. You can't coach scared and win in the NFL, you had to try and get a field goal, something with all your timeouts left. You just had to show the team that you believed in them and that you still thought they were the better team. Philbin was terrible today, just terrible.
     
  12. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

    He absolutely lost me today....

    1: The situation you mentioned.
    2: Didn't call a TO when Watkins' fumbled before the TD.
    3: Fist pump like Sparano when Carp missed the FG.

    I'm really wondering if he has the 'kill' mentality. I think he's trying for too much finesse. Either way, he doesn't inspire confidence IMHO.

    If he don't get this thing turned around and fast...I really don't see him being around next year, and maybe that's what is needed, I don't know, he's just not striking fear into anybody. Colledge said we knew what they were going to do all day, they just lost 1 on 1 battles. That just smacks of coaching from where I sit.
     
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  13. cdz12250

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    We need a quarterback and we need a head coach. Pure and simple.

    It's just like the end of last year. They could have taken control of their own destiny in the division. Instead, they wilted. The quarterback doesn't have what it takes to put the team on his shoulders and move the ball through the air, and the head coach has no answers.

    Mediocre again.
     
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  14. Arodgers12

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    Sorry about that today guys. Hope you come back and beat KC next week. Good news is we helped you out today by beating the Jets.
     
  15. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

    Grats on the win and thanks for spankin' them Jets!

    We'll be back...3-1 by the bye...but we need some serious soul-searching in the meantime...starting with the HC.
     
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  16. Arodgers12

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    There was a little controversy on our win today though. Before the Jets threw a game tying td pass Marty Morniweg who was standing next to Rex Ryan called a timeout before the play. I guess the ref blew the whistle before the play started. Jet fans are going wild over on their boards but they blew a 21-3 lead on us.
     
  17. finfansince72

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    We seemed to be lost today, you have to blame coaching to some extent. This is the same thing Buffalo did to us twice last year, maybe we are just in a bad matchup personnel wise with them but we had some chances to stay in this game and we got conservative, we played and coached scared. Id rather go down swinging than to just take a beating like we did today.
     
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  18. PhinFan1968

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    F*** 'em...it's in the books :) Nice to see bad ref'ing actually help...sure didn't help us today.
     
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  19. jpep13

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    I never see Tannehill talking on the sidelines, I see Other qbs talking to wideouts, online etc.....
    Just now I saw Cutler talking to Marshall after his 1 handed catch for a td on the sidelines, score or no score, what's the deal?
     
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  20. jpep13

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    Let's see if we can beat KC before we start talking about the Raiders and beating them to be 3-1 into the bye.
     
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  21. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

    I'm sticking with my week 0 prediction, which was W-NE, L-Buf, W-KC, W-Oak for the 3-1 at the bye. For some ungodly reason we just shi* the bed against Buffalo...I hate it, but that's what? 4 in a row?

    Rebound is not beyond realistic expectation.
     
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  22. MrClean

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    If you're watching on TV, it is pretty hard to say whether he does or not. The cameras don't spend enough time scanning the bench area to know everything, as for whom he does or does not talk to.
     
  23. 77FinFan

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    Not Peyton.
     
  24. MrClean

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    Of course it's not. There seems to be a whole lot of overreaction on the forum after that game. If STs didn't crap the bed, we'd have been right in it until the end, maybe even won, regardless of Philbin reverting to the flying wedge right before half time. :)
     
  25. No offense but bullies

    Im not backing RT per say but he is being coached horrendously. Im not sure what philbin could say to stop me from replacing him at this point.
     
  26. Kingtut561

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    Phil in didnt give up, his players did. I think he made the right call personally. If it was last week I say he goes on a 2 minute drive. After almost 2 quarters of bad offense I think he wanted to regroup and get off the field. Sad but true.
     
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  27. DPlus47

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    I understand why the thread was made, because things don't look good right now, but it's early. The offense is new and there are going to be growing pains. Buffalo is the toughest out for Miami in the division, and it's not even close. I'd rather just skip Buffalo altogether and play New England four times. Yes, I would have said the same thing before opening day.

    It looks like Philbin isn't much of a leader, and it looks like Tannehill isn't much of a leader or QB, but we have no choice but to give them a little time. There will be much better Sundays this fall than today.

    Did anybody see what Chicago did to San Francisco this evening? Does that at least change some opinions on the Bills? It's not like the Dolphins went up and got beaten by a bad team; they got beaten by a team that they'll be competing with all year.
     
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  28. ckparrothead

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    So is the defense of Philbin down to:

    "Philbin's a bad coach but that's not why we lost today"

    ?

    Is that what I'm seeing here?
     
  29. Kingtut561

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    The coach cant throw the ball nor catch it. This game falls on the players imo.
     
  30. ASUFinFan

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    Exactly what I did. Went out to start my yard work. Such a joke.
     
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  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I cannot find the quoted text posted by anyone. Who said that exactly?
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    This is all just too sensible. We cannot have such posts. We need ranting, raving, and knee jerk reactions. Woe is us. The sky is falling. Etc etc.
    Oh wait. I guess we do have that. Thanks for trying to bring some balance to things.
     
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  33. Bpk

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    Wanted to update this thread, but there is no way I could word the update better than Brandon's post in another thread expressed it --

    I'd add that Tannehill is not a leader either (and is even less likely to be seen as one by the players now that the head coach has shown a lack of confidence in him).

    Lack of leadership.

    Top-to-bottom.
     
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