http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/07/pressure-into-sacks/
Mia: 24th worst 36 sacks on 198 pressures or 16.98%
Well now, add that in with the number of max protects Henne calls and the picture begins to develop on what happened to the offense in 2010.
Henne called for a max protects, when the opponents did mount pressure they generally got to Henne, but if one looks at the bottom of the list names like Cutler and Rothlesberger and Flacco make the list who all led their teams to the playoffs.
So giving up sacks is not a bar for producing for those Qb's.
Out of curiosity:
TN: #9 25 198 12.98%
Denver: #25 43 253 17%
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Well I don't know what padre is trying to say but I can say that I don't find it surprising that Henne rates pretty low on getting the ball out when he's pressured.
That's how you should take this. This is a QB-centric statistic. In 2009, Henne was sacked 24% of the times he was pressured. He had a 37 QB Rating when throwing under pressure. In 2010 he improved to being sacked 19% of the times he was pressured, with a 49 QB Rating throwing under pressure.
League average is about 15% sacks from pressured snaps. As for QB Ratings under pressure, most of the good QBs have one in the 60's I believe.CashInFist and Stringer Bell like this. -
-we "know" Henne called max protects, often.
-we "know" the Oline was the 3rd best pass blocking unit in the league
-we know Dolphins Qb's were sacked 17% of the time they were pressured
What are the constants?
The Oline graded out well, Henne called for max protections, yet the pressure to sack ratio was 26th in the league?
To me it says when Henne was pressured, he was a easy Qb to sack, this on top of the Oline grading well and the max protection calls.
Henne went down really easy, like the Don King fighter on the undercard of a pay per view.
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The stats that you provide in this topic are the reasons why I was so convicted about CKaps game, and not Malletts..
Folks need to figure out what type of skillset you want, if you want the pocket passer and you think you can win with that type of skillset, than Henne has beautiful arm talent to be that guy...If you think he doesn't have the tools {and by tools I mean everything} to be a good QB, than we should of drated one that did.. -
In this league you can be a dropback, pocket quarterback and win all kinds of games (Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, Phil Rivers, etc) or you can be a guy that likes to deal with pressure and extend plays so that you can make more big plays (Michael Vick, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Josh Freeman).
It's not the style that's going to win you the championship, it's the player.
Just because Chad Henne is the same style as Ryan Mallett, doesn't make them the same player. Or are we now to not distinguish between Chad Henne and Tom Brady, just because they're the same style? Mallett has several distinct advantages over Chad Henne when it comes to his skill set and talent on the field. I've enumerated them so many times that if you're still asking this question then whether or not I answer it doesn't matter because it appears you just don't accept the answer. -
How do we "know" Henne was the one calling max protects? I saw someone ask that in another thread, and never saw an answer for it.
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EDIT: My apologies. There was an error in my summing formulas which produced inaccurate results. I was under the impression that the rate at which Chad Henne called extra protections changed significantly after he was benched. This is not true. In fact, sadly and ridiculously, the number went up...from 4.1x in the first 8 games, to 4.3x in the 5 games Chad played by himself (no Thigpen/Pennington). However, the number interesting dropped down to 2.3x in the 3 games where Henne either didn't play at all (Chicago), or only played partially (New England, Tennessee) -
In this case, coffee is not only for closers. You'll take pressure whenever you can get it. For instance, would you take less pressures just so you could up your ratio? of course not...
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The problem I have with this one is that a team is penalized for fewer total pressures. If we gave up 300 instead of 200, we would be ranked much higher while playing much worse.
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For me, when it comes to styles, my point is, what kind of offense I wanna run that I think is best suited to win a championship...for me, that offense requires a certain skillset, which neither Henne or Mallett Have, but, if were going strictly from the pocket, Than I think Henne deserves another year, he showed last year in the first 10 games that it wasn't his fault that the team was playing 500 football... -
My problem is this: we ran TONS of two WR sets last year, or so so it seemed while watching games, and we ran tons of PA. If I were Henne, and I kept seeing defenders not biting on PA, and I had to keep turning my back to the rush, I would have been calling max protect, too. So, IMO, IF it was all Henne calling max protect, I still fault Henning for his incredibly ****ty playcalling. -
Daboll has new system so whatever happened last season does not mean very much at all except to say the Henne and the O was very conservative in 2010. -
Neither does anyone else. Except people using any random quote that supports whatever point they are trying to make. Imagine if Henning said Henne was a solid QB w/ a chance to be really good in due time. Would that change any of the Henne basher's minds? Nah, they'd say he was blowing smoke to protect Henne, and never acknowledge that he might also blow smoke in order to save his job/reputation. -
Not a Henne Hater by any stretch GMJ, but make no mistake they have their eyes wide open for a replacement.
FWIW I've been clear and think Casserly is correct, if you identify "your guy" then you pay what it costs to land him, if they really do like Henne they are betting their jobs that in a brand new offense, with no OTA's will help Chad Henne to blossom. -
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I think Hennes' confidence was damage by the coaching staff and I don't know if he'll recover, but to blame him and only him for the poor play of the offense is an insult to my low IQ.
It seems as if some guys believe we would have gone to the super bowl if it wasn't for Henne.
The team played like ****, I don't spend hours looking at tape, but I watched every game and we couldn't run the ball and receivers couldn't get open.
Why don't we look at why we didn't run the ball effectively, why did we use the wildcat when it didn't work, why opposing teams appeared to have our playbook.djphinfan and Pandarilla like this. -
Been sayin it since last season, its not a matter of giving Henne a good Oline, even with the injuries, he had one. The true matter of fact is getting a good QB behind this Oline when its healthy. Woooooo, scary. Henne and Bulger are bookends. They both have the patent on freaking out under pressure, even if its not getting to them and automatically go into the Tuck, bend and drop to the ground mode. Bulger may be a tad more accurate but as I said, he is an older version of Henne, no difference at all and he seemed quite happy wearing a baseball cap on the sideline last year getting paid millions. Start him ? Yep, auto mode kicks in under any pressure, tuck, bend and drop to ground.