Ok no seriously....let's stop the oline panic..

This reminds me of all the "Let's not worry about the WR position" threads from last season... :shifty:

In all seriousness, I hope you're right, but with everything riding on Tannehill, this line they have out in front of him is bit of a question mark at the very least.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

This reminds me of all the "Let's not worry about the WR position" threads from last season... :shifty:

In all seriousness, I hope you're right, but with everything riding on Tannehill, this line they have out in front of him is bit of a question mark at the very least.

I don't know why. I'm not making any predictions that we'll be fine. All I'm saying is the catalysts for all this gnashing of teeth isn't valid yet. Come preseason game number 5 and all this is going on, then there is a real concern...but there just isn't right now.

I mean if the sacks in the scrimmage mean anything, then Tannehill's 3 tds mean just as much and by theur nature, prove the sacks didn't hurt the offense.

"Fin D wrote:

I don't why. I'm not making any predictions that we'll be fine. All I'm saying is the catalysts for all this gnashing of teeth isn't valid yet. Come preseason game number 5 and all this is going on, then there is a real concern...but there just isn't right now.

I mean if the sacks in the scrimmage mean anything, then Tannehill's 3 tds mean just as much and by theur nature, prove the sacks didn't hurt the offense.

This. I will wait until then, if they suck I dont see this team doing much....Tough for a QB to function under that kind of pressure consistently....

It is early and lets face it folks MOST of the OL's would look bad going against Miami's front 7 in practice everyday.....

thanks fin deej

Amen

I think its premature to worry about the OL at this stage.

If the OL looks unsteady in game 1 of the regular season then perhaps there is justification for some concern IMO.

"Fin D wrote:

Jon Martin going forward:
I'm not trying to tell anyone that Martin is great or will be great. But I don't think he'll be WORSE than he was last year

Way to go out on a limb there! He was one of the worst tackles in the entire league last year, there's really nowhere to go but up.

"Fin D wrote:

so even if he stays exactly the same as last year, we are in a much better position to thrive.

Actually if he doesn't improve at all, he's probably getting benched.

The OL overall will be fine IMO. Even with Martin playing below-average, there is still a lot of talent at the other spots.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

This reminds me of all the "Let's not worry about the WR position" threads from last season... :shifty:

In all seriousness, I hope you're right, but with everything riding on Tannehill, this line they have out in front of him is bit of a question mark at the very least.

I don't see that at all. Last year I felt the WRs lacked a #1 and a receiving TE and that we'd need at least two or three upgrades moving forward (among WRs and TEs). I only saw one potential development type (Matthews). In the OL I feel we have one of the top Cs in the league and that C is the most important position on the line. After that I believe that being strong in the middle overall is the next priority. RI was a probowl player last season. That's 2 out 3 probowlers in the most important part of the line. I doubt most OLs in the league have that. For the third middle position we have several players that could fill the role nicely. Louis was the best player on Chicago's OL by many accounts. He's injured and may or may not reach that same level this year, but his age and nature of the injury makes it at worst likely that he'll return to that level eventually. If he doesn't make it we also have a couple of third round picks with at a minimum potential to be be solid to good starters. We don't need them all to work out. If just one of the three plays decent then our interior OL is easily in the top half of the league. Not that the outside is devoid of talent. Clabo is also a recent pro bowler who was rated as high as the second best T in the league in 2011 by PFF (for those who put stock in their ratings). Martin is a 2nd round pick who IMO looked very similar to what Joe Staley looked like as a rookie (you may recall him from last year's NFC SB representative). As a rookie he lacked strength and was often bull rushed. I don't know if Martin will become as good as Staley, but even if he remains a below average LT, it's still an OL with three recent pro bowl players. Most teams would be thrilled with that. You don't need pro bowlers at all five positions. Most great lines are usually made up of a couple of high talent guys that just work well together. That working together part is the primary reason they're great. Often 3/5 of those great lines are guys that would be below average individually. I don't see much reason to doubt that Martin has enough talent to become an average LT. (I prefer him on the left side rather than the right). IMO our OL right now has the talent to be among the best in the league. Whether and how well they mesh will determine how close they come to reaching that potential. I am not among those that sees the OL as needing more talent. If players are not re-signed or there are injuries that may change of course, but as they stand now I like both the starters we have and their potential going forward. If a great OL talent became available then sure, but otherwise I'd prefer that our resources be focused on higher impact positions. I actually think that the opinion on this OL at the end of the year will have more to do with RT's decision making and Miller's vision than anything else.

I for one haven't really been tempted to raise any kind of alarms over the problems the interior line have had with defending blitzes and interior rushers like Randy Starks and Jared Odrick. The continuous shuffling makes me a little nervous but that's it. This is the kind of stuff that gets better with further install.

However the Jon Martin/Olivier Vernon/Dion Jordan stuff is significant to me.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

This reminds me of all the "Let's not worry about the WR position" threads from last season... :shifty:

In all seriousness, I hope you're right, but with everything riding on Tannehill, this line they have out in front of him is bit of a question mark at the very least.

That's cause at this time last year none of us really knew what was happening with hartline. Remember he was hurt or something? I thought we were going to cut him and then he has a 1000 yd season.

The corps still seriously lacked in talent but hartline and bess certainly held it together last year.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

This reminds me of all the "Let's not worry about the WR position" threads from last season... :shifty:

In all seriousness, I hope you're right, but with everything riding on Tannehill, this line they have out in front of him is bit of a question mark at the very least.

I think we have a shot to have 4 and 1/2 good linemen this season. that's pretty good in today's NFL. IMO, we just need Martin to evolve into above average and we'll be just fine. In the meantime, Sims and Miller can help him out with some of the speed rushers.

As of today the oline is exactly where it was supposed to be but with Samuda in for the injured Jerry.

So that's definitely one thing I was right about and that means the only thing left is Martin.

If the coahces and GM aren't concerned about Martin then they are idiots.

I suppose he could look fine against Dallas and Jacksonville and maybe we forget about it, but he's not just been below average in camp. He's been a complete turnstile.

Below average would be a vast improvement.

"schmolioot wrote:

If the coahces and GM aren't concerned about Martin then they are idiots.

I suppose he could look fine against Dallas and Jacksonville and maybe we forget about it, but he's not just been below average in camp. He's been a complete turnstile.

Below average would be a vast improvement.

lol.

"Fin D wrote:

As of today the oline is exactly where it was supposed to be but with Samuda in for the injured Jerry.

So that's definitely one thing I was right about and that means the only thing left is Martin.

I didn't mention him above, but I have long been a fan of Samuda as well. I tend to like that Samoans for the interior of the OL. I just think they have a tendency towards the right body type for the position. I would add him to the list of potentials on the interior of the line. I just see no reason to believe that we're not likely to have a very good interior OL and at least a good to above average RT. I also think that Martin is at a minimum likely to be improved. Obviously injury would be a concern, but that only puts us in the same position as 31 other teams. And I expect that we'll have better depth than we've had in at least a decade.

"schmolioot wrote:

If the coahces and GM aren't concerned about Martin then they are idiots.

I suppose he could look fine against Dallas and Jacksonville and maybe we forget about it, but he's not just been below average in camp. He's been a complete turnstile.

Below average would be a vast improvement.

LMAO. Yeah, man. Why don't you head over to Davie and teach them how to evaluate OLinemen. Be sure to start with the basics so you don't lose them. Maybe you can print out some of the media and twitter reports you've read and show them to the staff.

"schmolioot wrote:

If the coahces and GM aren't concerned about Martin then they are idiots.

I suppose he could look fine against Dallas and Jacksonville and maybe we forget about it, but he's not just been below average in camp. He's been a complete turnstile.

Below average would be a vast improvement.

I've come to the realization that dolphins fans can't truly seem to grasp just how bad Martin was last year...they think he was average! They think one of the worst tackles in the league was actually average or slightly below. one poster here actually thinks he was better than Jake Long last year. If Martin was average last year or even average in camp right now, we wouldn't be talking about any plan b because we wouldn't need one. As of right now, the only improvement i see with him is his body. But he is still terrible.

"LBsFinest wrote:

I've come to the realization that dolphins fans can't truly seem to grasp just how bad Martin was last year...they think he was average! They think one of the worst tackles in the league was actually average or slightly below. one poster here actually thinks he was better than Jake Long last year. If Martin was average last year or even average in camp right now, we wouldn't be talking about any plan b because we wouldn't need one. As of right now, the only improvement i see with him is his body. But he is still terrible.

You haven't seen anything from him. You've heard this and read that, but you haven't seen anything.

Even if you have gone to a practice or two, then you've still seen less than the staff has, who know more about oline play then you ever will.

"LBsFinest wrote:

I've come to the realization that dolphins fans can't truly seem to grasp just how bad Martin was last year...they think he was average! They think one of the worst tackles in the league was actually average or slightly below. one poster here actually thinks he was better than Jake Long last year. If Martin was average last year or even average in camp right now, we wouldn't be talking about any plan b because we wouldn't need one. As of right now, the only improvement i see with him is his body. But he is still terrible.

I highly doubt that.

"rafael wrote:

I didn't mention him above, but I have long been a fan of Samuda as well. I tend to like that Samoans for the interior of the OL. I just think they have a tendency towards the right body type for the position. I would add him to the list of potentials on the interior of the line. I just see no reason to believe that we're not likely to have a very good interior OL and at least a good to above average RT. I also think that Martin is at a minimum likely to be improved. Obviously injury would be a concern, but that only puts us in the same position as 31 other teams. And I expect that we'll have better depth than we've had in at least a decade.

Outside of injury, I see Martin as the only real question mark. And it's not like we're the Saints or the Packers. We won't be throwing the ball 40+ times a game by design. We have a running game that can keep us out of long yardage situations and a defense that can prevent us from falling behind by multiple scores. That's half the battle in protecting the QB, staying out of obvious passing situations. Then there's the screen/draw game, the 1-3-5 step drops that the offense is predicated on, plus chips by the backs and TEs.

I'm fairly certain that most of our opponents will have more to fear from our pass rush than we will from theirs.

"Fin D wrote:

You haven't seen anything from him. You've heard this and read that, but you haven't seen anything.

Even if you have gone to a practice or two, then you've still seen less than the staff has, who know more about oline play then you ever will.

Ahh, the age old adage "just trust the staff" ...yea I was basically told the same thing last year with the receivers and we all saw how that played out. Btw is Ireland part of the staff you're referring to? because if so, sorry I don't trust him. At all.

I read this quickly as:

Ok no seriously....let's stop the online panic...

And my first thought was "BUT BUT BUT that's what we do"!!!:tongue2:

"LBsFinest wrote:

Ahh, the age old adage "just trust the staff" ...yea I was basically told the same thing last year with the receivers and we all saw how that played out. Btw is Ireland part of the staff you're referring to? because if so, sorry I don't trust him. At all.

Ahh the old adage, you know more than the coaches and surprise, surprise an Ireland jab.

No one told you anything about the Wrs last year.

You ever notice, you make quite a bit of stuff up?