Kiper loses more of my respect every day. That was the one and only reason I watched the draft on the NFLN

 

Last time I checked, NFL franchises weren't asking Mel Kiper for draft advice. Nor have any offered him a FO job. His hair may be able to withstand Gale force winds, but he's an over-hyped gas bag IMO.

 

personally I hope Gholston has a great career.....just not those 2 weeks out of each year

 

I hope he has a great career and his team never makes the playoffs :up:

 

Mel needs a good woman and a break from football. When people don't agree with him he gets pretty vocal.

 

Yeah, there is a 'Patrick Bateman' quality to him isnt there

 

Kiper is an idiot.

Thank god i have the NFL network, I would much rather listen to Mayock than Kiper.

 

I saw where he was concerned about Hennes long release...I watched probably 70-90 passes from Henne today and on none did he have a "long" release....you can watch it as easy as I can....it ain't there...does he make this stuff up to differentiate grades or just to stir the pot...?

 

I like Mick Mayock from NFL network and I also like Todd Mcshay. Mel Kiper Jr is just stupid Jake Long a bad pick ummm just in case he did not know you need a good O - line to have a good QB. I was watching ESPN and Todd Mcshay said that Chad Henne was a great pick up for us. He also said that Jake Long was a great pick up because without an O - line no Qb would be good

 

sounds to me like a well-respected guy has formed his own opinion on things.

 

I don't like Kiper nor McShay but I do agree with Kiper on his assessment of Henne. I thought the Henne/Langford picks were more questionable than the Long pick and the two RB picks were certainly worse.

 

:no:

I hope he has a HOF career just we beat the Jets every time.

 

So I guess since the Patsies took that QB from SDSU, they have no confidence in Brady either!

 

How many people saw the Mel and McShay debate on day 2? It was absolutely great, McShay took him to school and Kiper looked like a fool and kept interrupting Kiper.

I heard rumors that Kipers contract is going to be up soon and that ESPN might not renew it. While Mel is very opinionated and annoying at times I like to get all the information and input i can from these so called experts.

BTW, I rank McShay and Maydock as a close 1 2, with Kiper following in 3.

 

Mayock is better than both of them. Just got done watching the first day on NFL network and Mayock was calling them out.

 

Strategically, We took Jake to make a Qb better, well we have John Beck, but then we took Chad Henne, meaning picking Jake was meant to help a Qb that we didn't even have at #1 overall, we put the cart in front of the horse in Mel's opinion.

I disagree, but I can see where he is coming from, Irish wanted to nail the Qb spot down for us, not have another season of hope for Beck, that if he fails, we are back to square one next April unless we also took Chad Henne as well..

 

I wouldn't mind Sam Bradford.

 

I really don't care what Mel Kiper thinks.

 

Kiper also thought Ryan Leaf was going to win Super Bowls, he thought he was that good. Just saying....

 

McShay also said REggie bush was the best back in the 06 draft and Houston was stupid for passing on him.

 

i know i all ready put a link on the henne drops grade thread

he said leaf would put up ws himself he was a winnner etc

mel kiper has gotten so bad that this was the first year i didnt watch the draft on espn i watched it on NFL network kiper is an idiot who will be gone soon

 

I dunno, that's what he said about Peyton Manning, not Leaf.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?id=3327728 - Kiper on Leaf

vs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3327711 - Kiper on Manning

 

And that's where I got it from. :up:

 

So did most people, most notoriously the GM of the San Diego chargers. The guys been doing this for 30 years, hes got a right to his opinion.

I dont remember him stating flat out that Long was a bad pick. I just remember him wondering why, if we dont have confidence in Beck as evidenced by the Henne pick, we didnt pick up the best QB in the draft.

Its a legit question imo, and while I see where hes coming from, I think Long was the best pick for our team. I do agree with him in being uncertain about Henne. I hope im wrong though.

 

Don't forget, he criticized us for drafting Henne when we had Beck but didn't do the same when Green Bay drafted Brohm when the Packers had Rodgers waiting in the wing to replace Favre.

That tells me he has a bone to pick for some odd reason for us drafting Henne.

 

He was sucking up to both of them.

Point is the QB position has historically been the toughest position to evaulate when he comes to kids coming out of college, that's why they are such a risk to draft at the top of the draft.

And that's why I could care less what Kiper has to say about Henne.

 

because most people including the gm of the miami dolphins thinks the guy is not worth the pick :up:

the guy has an opinion but kiper thinks he knows everything there is about football when he doesnt know **** he knows as much as any of us if he was so ****ing good at evaluating talent he would be in a front office somewhere doing real draft boards not mock ones

 

One could say that about anyone in his line of work.

 

It is the toughest and I don't usually follow experts advice. I look at how they play on the field and what I've seen from Henne does not impress me any bit.

 

No doubt man.....it was amazing. He actually started to get embarrassed at how accurate he was...and I mean throughout the whole damn draft. The Comish even teased him on it....wow.

I am now exclusively watching the NFLN....this guy is the real deal. Kip needs to put the hair grow remedy away along w/ his standing...he is washed up IMHO. Used to be a beast but his days are numbered....I think he is NOT putting the effort in that the others are. :cry:

 

yeah but he takes his job too seriously everytime someone tries to debate him he gets so offeneded and starts attacking the person
look at some of his past mocks they are hillariously bad yet for some reason people take him so seriously

 

I think what Kiper was trying to say was that if Tunaland wanted to take a qb, he should have taken Ryan at #1. The flip of that is that if we had taken Ryan at #1, which was clearly too early for him, he'd have hung the Fins in effigy for taking him that high. I personally think #3 was too early too, but the Falcons needed a qb worse than we did, so it made sense to take him then. The thing is, it appears to me that taking Henne wasn't planned as a strategy, but it was a "Hey, how he'd fall this far." If the plan was to take Henne or Flacco at 32, that's where they'd have taken one of them...(except that Flacco was gone). I don't think that Brohm was in their plans at all.

The bottom line is that on the surface, it look like there was a plan to take Henne, but in actuality, I just don't think it was really planned that they take a QB at the 57 spot.

 

because his beloved ravens had to trade up to get joe flacco

 

here is a great mock from mel kiper

http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0305/1130313.html

 

some nice players in that draft

 

How did Kip do this draft? Anyone have a comparison on how he did vers the other primetime gurus? For that matter....wonder how he did against Boomer??:pointlol:

 

I'll watch NFLN once they get their production up and doesn't seem like BET to MTV (ESPN). Production value on ESPN is just so much better. Or was it just me that had audio etc. cutting off on that first day on NFLN?

I dont' like McShay. I've seen Kiper school him too. When discussing Baltimore draft needs McSHay went on and on about how they need a tackle, don't have anyone etc., and Kiper says hold up, they drafted a kid last year Gaither. McShay was shell shocked had no comeback.