Patriots SPYGATE was much worse than let on...OTL report

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Phins_Fan_87Phins_Fan_87subscriberOP
Sep 8, 2015, 09:23 AM

Whoa. Goddell is a pos.

An ESPN Outside the Lines report, citing interviews with more than 90 sources around the NFL, says that the Spygate cheating lasted “at least 40 games over a period of several seasons from 2000 to 2007,” and that the league never fully investigated all the accusations against the team.According to the report, the taping of opponents’ signals reached the point where the Patriots had diagrams of the stolen signals that they could use during games.
The report also says that other teams were much more upset about the Patriots’ cheating than they let on, because NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell convinced the rest of the league not to press the issue. Former Rams coach Mike Martz, whose team lost to the Patriots in Belichick’s first Super Bowl, said he was pressured by a “panicked” Goodell to issue a statement saying he was satisfied by the league’s investigation of the Patriots. Martz said he agreed to go along with Goodell’s request to issue a statement backing the league not because he was completely satisfied by the investigation, but because Goodell convinced Martz that a prolonged scandal could badly damage the league.

Makes me sick.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/08/report-patriots-spygate-cheating-was-widespread-over-many-years/

finyank13finyank13New Member
Sep 8, 2015, 09:25 AM

Link

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FinSaneFinSaneforum_veteran
Sep 8, 2015, 09:40 AM

Oh gee only confirming what most of us knew all along. Wonderful that all this is coming out after all has been said and done.

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BumrushBumrushsubscriber
Sep 8, 2015, 09:40 AM

F*ck the Patriots.

I really hope Tom Brady gets knocked the f*** out by a Suh/Wake sandwich.

So sick of these bastards getting all the breaks, bounces, field goals and insulation from a corrupt culture. Concurrently, I'm glad Diva Ass Brady will be taking the field on Thursday so when we do demolish them this season they have no excuses. The putrid NE fans can go back to rooting for the Soooox or Bruins. Dumbest fan base in the NFL, it's almost comical talking to these assclowns.

FinsterFinsterNew Member
Sep 8, 2015, 09:57 AM

Yea, uh, we know they're guilty, they never denied it, they were taping signals.

Maybe they should reopen the snowblower incident, lol.

MikeHonchoMikeHonchosubscriber
Sep 8, 2015, 10:00 AM

World Football Entertainment.

"Integrity of the Game." :sidelol:

Headcoach material wouldn’t want to work somewhere they’re not trusted with actual football decisions.

MikeHonchoMikeHonchosubscriber
Sep 8, 2015, 10:05 AM

Much better link:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

Goodell had imposed a $500,000 fine of Belichick, a $250,000 fine of the team and the loss of a first-round draft pick just four days after league security officials had caught the Patriots and before he'd even sent a team of investigators to Foxborough, Massachusetts. Those investigators hadn't come up empty: Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents' signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. Yet almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed

Days before the Tampa Bay game, in Belichick's office, Friesz was told that the Patriots had a tape of the Bucs' signals. He was instructed to memorize them, and during the game, to watch Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and tell Weis the defensive play, which Weis would relay over the radio headset system to quarterback Drew Bledsoe. That Sunday against the Bucs, Walsh later told investigators, the Patriots played more no-huddle than usual, forcing Kiffin to signal in plays quickly, allowing Weis sufficient time to relay the information. Years later, some Patriots coaches would point to the score -- a 21-16 Bucs win -- as evidence of Spygate's ineffectiveness. But as Walsh later told investigators, Friesz, who did not respond to messages to comment for this story, told Walsh after the game that the Patriots knew 75 percent of the Bucs' defenses before the snap.

No-huddle, anyone?

Headcoach material wouldn’t want to work somewhere they’re not trusted with actual football decisions.

Vertical LimitVertical Limitforum_veteran
Sep 8, 2015, 10:05 AM

Brady and Belichick should not get the hall of fame. Not first or second ballot not ever. This is ridiculous. The NFL cant do anything to correct Goodell's idiotic mistakes now but the Hall of Fame must show pride.

Vertical LimitVertical Limitforum_veteran
Sep 8, 2015, 10:13 AM

You know it is funny, when Adam Schefter and Bob Ley announced on sportscenter that the suspension was overturned I just had this feeling watching Bob Ley that he had something up his sleeve to release soon but didnt want to say yet and i even told my brother and said watch, that guy will have more stuff to release sooner or later. Bob Ley always digs and finds more stuff.

Phins_Fan_87Phins_Fan_87subscriber
Sep 8, 2015, 10:14 AM

It gets better,

Several former Patriots coaches and employees alleged that the team would send “low-level” employees into opposing locker rooms during pre-game warm-ups to “steal play sheets” from teams which scripted their offenses.The report also says the team would send employees to “rummage through the visiting team hotel for playbooks or scouting reports.”
Such tactics were apparently suspected by other teams, who would leave dummy play sheets sitting around in hopes of throwing the Patriots off their trails.

from pft

BumrushBumrushsubscriber
Sep 8, 2015, 10:15 AM

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Brady and Belichick should not get the hall of fame. Not first or second ballot not ever. This is ridiculous. The NFL cant do anything to correct Goodell's idiotic mistakes now but the Hall of Fame must show pride.

They won't.. Unlike how baseball dealt with Pete Rose or the rash of steroid users, the NFL is more concerned with protecting it's inflated image than the integrity of the game.

CrunchTimeCrunchTimeretired_admin
Sep 8, 2015, 10:31 AM

The unfortunate thing is that Goodell was basically hired to clean up the sport. He let the ball drop on the more serious Spygate scandal and then goes after the Brady on the less serious Deflate scandal. He picked the wrong fight and his credibility and authority has been seriously damaged.

finyank13finyank13New Member
Sep 8, 2015, 10:32 AM

According to the report, the taping of opponents’ signals reached the point where the Patriots had diagrams of the stolen signals that they could use during games.

Pigs. Like are you shocked anymore....??

“If you told me A-Rod flew on a spaceship from Mars to here, I wouldn't be surprised."--thephins.com poster Ray Finkle on A-Rod

Deerless DiceDeerless Dicesubscriber
Sep 8, 2015, 10:35 AM

Basically Goodell is incompetent and cannot nail down the Patriots and their cheating ways. His only successful move is air Pat's dirty laundry and let them get cruxified in the court of public opinion. He needs to be fired so the league can get a commissioner with the balls and the ability to level the playing field in the NFL.

dolfan7171dolfan7171New Member
Sep 8, 2015, 10:46 AM

Bring back Paul Tagliabue...it was better when he was commissioner.

Win, Lose, or Tie, I will be a Dolphins Fan Until I Die:up:

padre31padre31luxury_box
Sep 8, 2015, 10:47 AM

Eh, to the surprise of no one, the Cheatriots gonna cheat.

What does bother me, moving forward, is the way Refs seem to be in their back pockets

Vertical LimitVertical Limitforum_veteran
Sep 8, 2015, 10:48 AM

I want to see Bruschi react to this. Comedy is coming.

jason8erjason8erluxury_box
Sep 8, 2015, 10:48 AM

Don't forget BB's reprimands for constantly playing fast and loose with the rules of the weekly injury report. The worst infraction by far though is getting caught with the second com device in Brady's helmet. That makes spygate and deflategate pale in comparison.

Ronnie BassRonnie Bassluxury_box
Sep 8, 2015, 10:48 AM

This stuff comes just after Brady and the Pats embarrassed the NFL and Goodell, coincidence or planned retaliation?

Nappy RootsNappy Rootsforum_veteran
Sep 8, 2015, 10:49 AM

Rams former HC Mike Martz tells ESPN Goodell asked him to back off during Spygate investigations, telling him "If it ever got to an investigation, it would be terrible for the league"

Goodell needs to be fired ASAP. Embarrassing.

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vt_dolfanvt_dolfansubscriber
Sep 8, 2015, 10:55 AM

It goes beyong taping..****ers actually pulled a Watergate...broke into locker rooms and stole ****...how Patriots fans can be proud of their team is beyond me.

"The more difficult the victory, the greater the happiness in winning"
Pele

schmoliootschmoliootsubscriber
Sep 8, 2015, 10:56 AM

Worst part of the article is where it states that the methods worked best "against less sophisticated teams, like the Dolphins."

Rick 1966Rick 1966forum_veteran
Sep 8, 2015, 10:57 AM

No big surprise. I wonder if anything will come of the story now that ESPN is involved?

Fin DFin Dforum_veteran
Sep 8, 2015, 10:58 AM

I don't think we're understanding the full scope of the Spygate issue and how Goodell's hands were tied.

The Pats were the best team in the league with Super Bowl hardware to back it up. Then real evidence is shown to prove that the new darlings of the league cheated their way to the top in a big way. So let's think this through......

You can't ignore it, because it was the biggest scandal in NFL history but you also have to protect the league as something like this can do serious damage to revenue. So what do you do? Do you really unleash hell on the Pats and let the evidence get into the media thereby letting everyone know the sport they've been invested in all this time has been forever tainted? That was never going to happen.

The problem isn't Goodell, the problem is our culture of money over ethics and it is endemic in America.

FinSaneFinSaneforum_veteran
Sep 8, 2015, 11:02 AM

"Fin D wrote:

I don't think we're understanding the full scope of the Spygate issue and how Goodell's hands were tied.

The Pats were the best team in the league with Super Bowl hardware to back it up. Then real evidence is shown to prove that the new darlings of the league cheated their way to the top in a big way. So let's think this through......

You can't ignore it, because it was the biggest scandal in NFL history but you also have to protect the league as something like this can do serious damage to revenue. So what do you do? Do you really unleash hell on the Pats and let the evidence get into the media thereby letting everyone know the sport they've been invested in all this time has been forever tainted? That was never going to happen.

The problem isn't Goodell, the problem is our culture of money over ethics and it is endemic in America.

Money over everything is the American way.

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