PFF Free Agent Tracker/Odrick/Delmas/Clay

I think between Wake/Vernon/ Jordan /McCain OLB would be covered in a 3-4. More likely Miami would go after guys who could play the 5 tech spot. Fede would probably end up there.

I'd like to see Odrick take a deal similar to what Arthur Jones got from the colts last year which was 5 year $33 million. I don't think Miami should pay him more than that.

If all three walks we wont miss a beat. Theyre solid but nothing special.

If we really want to build a better run stuffing DL, I'd say let Odrick go, sign Terrence Knighton and/or Dan Williams. If we can sign both, then cut Starks. It would be tough to get inside push with Pot Roast and Williams side by side.

Charles Clay needs to be the priority. He's not in the top tier at tight end but there's not a lot of guys with his ability and versatility.

Unfortunately it appears to be a horrible free agency year for CB's.

I really don't see a good answer at boundary corner in free agency; and in the draft, I don't see an instant starter even if we used our 1st round pick. I would rather draft Eric Rowe in the 3rd or 4th and maybe Lorenzo Doss as long as doesn't require a 2nd.

I think Jamar Tayor's future is at slot corner or FS. He is an excellent tackler with decent size. Wil Davis? Who knows with guys like this. He hasn't shown it yet.

Does anyone see an answer at boundary corner opposite Grimes next season??

I would rather not resign Odrick at more then 3-4M per (which I know he will get). I just dont think hes that good. Id rather just go all in and go hard after Suh at that point. A lot of people dont like him; I do. Theres a definite knucklehead factor there but hes also the best tackle in the game and a better run stuffer then the 2nd best player, McCoy, at his position. We have a lot of good players but not many chances to get a top 3 player at their position in their prime.

If not Suh then like Mr C said move on to Williams and/or Knighton and move to a 3-4 (which is how our personnel should be used). Ive been saying this since Coyle converted us to a 4-3. It the first straw for Coyle in my book. I could have gotten rid of him then because it showed a clear unwillingness to switch his preferred scheme to adopt to personnel.

Among our own FA's Clay should be the priority. Free Safety is very worrisome. Theres not a lot there after Devin MCourty. Maybe Tashaun Gipson. I might take a shot with a Marcus Gilchrist (who rated poorly this year but did well last year) or a Dwight Lowery on a shorter term deal.

"Boik14 wrote:

I would rather not resign Odrick at more then 3-4M per (which I know he will get). I just dont think hes that good. Id rather just go all in and go hard after Suh at that point. A lot of people dont like him; I do. Theres a definite knucklehead factor there but hes also the best tackle in the game and a better run stuffer then the 2nd best player, McCoy, at his position. We have a lot of good players but not many chances to get a top 3 player at their position in their prime.

If not Suh then like Mr C said move on to Williams and/or Knighton and move to a 3-4 (which is how our personnel should be used). Ive been saying this since Coyle converted us to a 4-3. It the first straw for Coyle in my book. I could have gotten rid of him then because it showed a clear unwillingness to switch his preferred scheme to adopt to personnel.

Among our own FA's Clay should be the priority. Free Safety is very worrisome. Theres not a lot there after Devin MCourty. Maybe Tashaun Gipson. I might take a shot with a Marcus Gilchrist (who rated poorly this year but did well last year) or a Dwight Lowery on a shorter term deal.

It could be possible perhaps to get Knighton and Williams both for what Suh is likely to cost.

"Boik14 wrote:

I would rather not resign Odrick at more then 3-4M per (which I know he will get). I just dont think hes that good. Id rather just go all in and go hard after Suh at that point. A lot of people dont like him; I do. Theres a definite knucklehead factor there but hes also the best tackle in the game and a better run stuffer then the 2nd best player, McCoy, at his position. We have a lot of good players but not many chances to get a top 3 player at their position in their prime.

If not Suh then like Mr C said move on to Williams and/or Knighton and move to a 3-4 (which is how our personnel should be used). Ive been saying this since Coyle converted us to a 4-3. It the first straw for Coyle in my book. I could have gotten rid of him then because it showed a clear unwillingness to switch his preferred scheme to adopt to personnel.

Among our own FA's Clay should be the priority. Free Safety is very worrisome. Theres not a lot there after Devin MCourty. Maybe Tashaun Gipson. I might take a shot with a Marcus Gilchrist (who rated poorly this year but did well last year) or a Dwight Lowery on a shorter term deal.

After tonight's game, I'm pretty well sold on Landon Collins in the Draft to fill the FS void. That's not really a Kevin Coyle special as he's more apt to play vets, but Collins is pretty good.

"MrClean wrote:

It could be possible perhaps to get Knighton and Williams both for what Suh is likely to cost.

True but they are very different players. Suh is one of the top 20 non QB's in the NFL.

"RoninFin4 wrote:

After tonight's game, I'm pretty well sold on Landon Collins in the Draft to fill the FS void. That's not really a Kevin Coyle special as he's more apt to play vets, but Collins is pretty good.

I like Collins but a lot can happen between now and the draft :)

"Boik14 wrote:

True but they are very different players. Suh is one of the top 20 non QB's in the NFL.
I like Collins but a lot can happen between now and the draft :)

True, but I think if Miami can 1) add Ndamukong Suh; 2) add an impact defender like Shaq Thompson or Landon Collins; and 3) tab a decent CB opposite Grimes, they'll be improved from this past season. How much they're improved is up to Kevin Coyle...

"Philbinfan wrote:

Unfortunately it appears to be a horrible free agency year for CB's.

I really don't see a good answer at boundary corner in free agency; and in the draft, I don't see an instant starter even if we used our 1st round pick. I would rather draft Eric Rowe in the 3rd or 4th and maybe Lorenzo Doss as long as doesn't require a 2nd.

I think Jamar Tayor's future is at slot corner or FS. He is an excellent tackler with decent size. Wil Davis? Who knows with guys like this. He hasn't shown it yet.

Does anyone see an answer at boundary corner opposite Grimes next season??

A Kareem Jackson or a Chris Culliver would be a good young UFA get at corner.
But there are a bunch of veteran stop gap type corners (ala Finnegan last year) that would be huge upgrades over what is currently here.

"Boik14 wrote:

True but they are very different players. Suh is one of the top 20 non QB's in the NFL.
I like Collins but a lot can happen between now and the draft :)

Granted Suh is much better than either. If we want to improve against the run though, having those two to rotate with Mitchell may accomplish the task better, and give us some depth by not having all our eggs in one basket.

"RoninFin4 wrote:

True, but I think if Miami can 1) add Ndamukong Suh; 2) add an impact defender like Shaq Thompson or Landon Collins; and 3) tab a decent CB opposite Grimes, they'll be improved from this past season. How much they're improved is up to Kevin Coyle...

I have sick dreams of landing Suh and matching him up with Danny Shelton with Earl Mitchell being the 3rd guy.

One can dream.

"MrClean wrote:

Granted Suh is much better than either. If we want to improve against the run though, having those two to rotate with Mitchell may accomplish the task better, and give us some depth by not having all our eggs in one basket.

PFF has Suh as an +18.1 against the run this past season. Before Earl Mitchell had that injury he was a +4.4. At that time Odrick was a +4.0 against the run. I think the bigger question has to be....what got exposed after that week and can that be fixed? Or was it Coyle being too cute covering for the DB's and letting his line get killed?

Either way I would love my pipe dream from above.

Terrence Knighton isn't young anymore. I would rather go with the much much cheaper Kenrick Ellis, even if the Jet's do make him a good offer I think he would sign with us. As I understand the situation he was told he was going to be a starter this year but was relegated to a rotational role and he really wasn't given much playing time until the end of the year. He had a good game against us in Miami.

I think he lacks IQ and has some character issues but he may be getting ready to breakout in 2015 or perhaps 2016. I would like to see him signed to a 3 year deal and go from there.

"VanDolPhan wrote:

I have sick dreams of landing Suh and matching him up with Danny Shelton with Earl Mitchell being the 3rd guy.

One can dream.

PFF has Suh as an +18.1 against the run this past season. Before Earl Mitchell had that injury he was a +4.4. At that time Odrick was a +4.0 against the run. I think the bigger question has to be....what got exposed after that week and can that be fixed? Or was it Coyle being too cute covering for the DB's and letting his line get killed?

Either way I would love my pipe dream from above.

Suh would help the pass rush a lot too. The combination of Knighton and Williams may be better for stopping the run, but neither of them can really rush the passer. I have the theory that if you had Suh and Mitchell starting, you could probably get by with a lesser player as the 3rd DT because playing next to Suh will elevate the game of most any DT.

have to bring back clay.

"Philbinfan wrote:

Terrence Knighton isn't young anymore. I would rather go with the much much cheaper Kenrick Ellis, even if the Jet's do make him a good offer I think he would sign with us. As I understand the situation he was told he was going to be a starter this year but was relegated to a rotational role and he really wasn't given much playing time until the end of the year. He had a good game against us in Miami.

I think he lacks IQ and has some character issues but he may be getting ready to breakout in 2015 or perhaps 2016. I would like to see him signed to a 3 year deal and go from there.

Knighton is 29. Suh is 28 and so is Dan Williams. Not really a big deal.

Suh paired with Cam Wake would be fun to watch. The price tag? Not so much. He's going to get paid JJ Watt money. No thanks. And Jared Odrick can go somewhere else too for $6 million a year. He's not that good. He's not really a difference maker, IMO. We could lose him and draft a big run stopper in the later rounds and develop him. Which is really what we need at this point.

I would of liked to have seen Charles Clay healthy this season and see how he performed in Lazor's offense... As of now, he's had a massively disappointing year. But considering we need to jettison Mike Wallace and Brian Hartline, we don't have too much of a choice.

Suh is super great, would love to have him despite his issues, but he will get an enormous contract and he really isn't that young anymore.

I would rather trade Olivier Vernon to one of the cap strapped teams in need of an edge defender and acquire Justin Houston. With Jordan on the field playing the Joker LB and Houston and Wake on the edges it could mean some major mayhem for opposing offenses. Vernon could fetch a nice pick seeing how very young he still is and how dirt cheap he is.

There are several potential 5-techniques in this draft and the role of 3-4 DE run stuffer might actually be a good one for AJ Francis depending on how he returns from IR.
DeAndre Coleman,Anthony Johnson, and Kamal Johnson will be in camp as well; and yes, of course Terrence Fede would project very well as a pass rushing 5-tech and may indeed make a decent 6- tech as well.

Yes Suh is going to get a big contract but think of it this way. Large part of that contract is your basically shifting Randy Starks $5 million to him and Odrick's $6 million to him. Rather have Suh then those 2. Even JJ's contract is manageable. JJ's contract has one big cap year at $21 million then it pretty much sits in the $12.5-13 million cap range for most of it. That is doable.

The guy immediately extends Cameron Wake's pass rushing career because he'll get singled up more often. I mean look at what he single handidly did to us and drool at the idea of doing that to other teams several times a year. Hello Brady!

"Philbinfan wrote:

Suh is super great, would love to have him despite his issues, but he will get an enormous contract and he really isn't that young anymore.

I would rather trade Olivier Vernon to one of the cap strapped teams in need of an edge defender and acquire Justin Houston. With Jordan on the field playing the Joker LB and Houston and Wake on the edges it could mean some major mayhem for opposing offenses. Vernon could fetch a nice pick seeing how very young he still is and how dirt cheap he is.

There are several potential 5-techniques in this draft and the role of 3-4 DE run stuffer might actually be a good one for AJ Francis depending on how he returns from IR.
DeAndre Coleman,Anthony Johnson, and Kamal Johnson will be in camp as well; and yes, of course Terrence Fede would project very well as a pass rushing 5-tech and may indeed make a decent 6- tech as well.

You bring up a good point. If we're going to pay a defensive lineman in FA, it might as well be a pass rusher cause Vernon is depth, not starting material. I wouldn't mind JPP.

"Clark Kent wrote:

You bring up a good point. If we're going to pay a defensive lineman in FA, it might as well be a pass rusher cause Vernon is depth, not starting material. I wouldn't mind JPP.

I'd rather have Suh.

"MrClean wrote:

Granted Suh is much better than either. If we want to improve against the run though, having those two to rotate with Mitchell may accomplish the task better, and give us some depth by not having all our eggs in one basket.

I get that but we lack top end talent like Suh. You need a few players that elevate those around them. Suh is one of those guys. And it's not every year an elite player in his prime comes available.

On a different note JPP is looking to get paid. And frankly he's just not very good. He was good but either injuries or laziness robbed him. His stats are very misleading with most of his pass rushing damage done vs weaker teams like Tennessee and Washington. For the type of money he's looking for you stay with a more consistent option

"RoninFin4 wrote:

After tonight's game, I'm pretty well sold on Landon Collins in the Draft to fill the FS void. That's not really a Kevin Coyle special as he's more apt to play vets, but Collins is pretty good.

Doubt he falls to 14.