Yeesh. I have Maurice hurst as either the 4th or 5th dt in the class. In a race with Harrison phillips

Vea
Payne
Bryan
Hurst/phillips

People are sleeping on those N.C. state dts too

 

Good analysis and it echoes my own thoughts- Suh will really be the only one missed. But for Suh, we got a starting guard, a starting DE and a starting WR...plus enough left over to sign a couple of draft picks. The math just didn't work in Suh's favor.

 

Weird. A couple of weeks ago I thought Hurst would be good for us too, but I have since changed my mind. I didn't see the suddenness I expected to see after reading his write-ups. I know they actually watch film and know a lot more than I do, but I am surprised that they would think he would be better for us than Vea or Payne. I must be missing something.

 

I know everyone is sold on Vea but I just don't like him- his draft status comes down to him being very big, very strong and very quick for a fat guy. However, his technique is horrible, his stats are mediocre and I'm just not impressed with spending a first round pick on a project. He could be dominant in a few seasons or he could wash out entirely...that's not 1st round material to me. I'm guessing he slides to mid 2nd round.

I haven't studied Payne or Hurst much so I can't comment there (yet), but I'll be disappointed if we take Vea at 11.

 

I agree on your eval of Vea. Not very impressed with him. I have payne and tim settle ranked above him.

 

I would drop vea down to #3 behind payne and tim settle.

 

We are taking Lamar Jackson anyway, so we should be talking DT's available in the later rounds. :chuckle: ;-)

 

What are you smoking? Why in the world would we take Lamar Jackson?

 

LOL! I would be surprised if we did, but I wouldn't rule it out. We had him in for a visit and who knows if it was a smoke screen or not. I like Mayfield, too. However, if we took Mayfield, he might not be cool with sitting behind Tannehill. Jackson, on the other hand, might welcome some time to sit, learn, and develop his skills before he gets the nod.

 

Vea top 15
Payne top 20
Bryan top 25
Hurst Phillips bj Hill top 50

Hurst ideal 3 tech fit. Not as explosive as I’d prefer with a top 25 pick

Phillips great hand use and leverage play. Best leverage play in the class

Bryan initial get off and gap quickness not good at the poa gets washed out when double teamed and awareness needs work. Runs himself out of things at times. Needs more hand use also. Most pass rush upside and potential especially as he learns to use his hands

I like this dt class for Miami. Pick 42 considerations hurst, phillips bj Hill

I’d take any of these dts at 42 over a Malik Jefferson or a Justin reid

 

I think vea is overrated. I would pick Payne over him. Have you scouted Tim settle?

 

I have not. I think vea has more versatility than payne. He’s top 15 to me easy. Harder to find way I see it. I like the tape a lot.

Only va tech kids I’ve looked at are Edmunds and the guard who has stone feet and I’m a hard pass on.

I’ve heard this before over the years but vea comp seems to be haloti gnata except more polished coming out. Which is a mouth full. If he hits that level he will well be worth the 11 pick. Gnata was a monster in his prime. I don’t see 2 gap plugger with vea. If I did he wouldn’t be on my list.

Payne is damn good too we are talking about a difference of 5 slots grade wise for me

 

I am the opposite. I think Payne is overrated. I have Hurst rated over Payne.

 

I like Hurst over either of them.

 

I have Harrison Phillips on my target list at 42

Leverage and hand use. Sign me up

 

Not a fan of Phillips. Not athletic or explosive enough. Looks like solid backup/rotational material at best.

Please check out tim settle. Would be a great pick at 42. Much better than phillips.

 

Phillips kinda reminds me of Kyle Williams. But I can see what you mean by not the most athletic or explosive fit for a gap penetrating scheme.

Point taken

Looks like a college nose kicked to a 43 dt in the pros to me

 

Settle looks like a 1 shade to me. Gap penetrator yes but Jordan Phillips gig.

I lose interest the further outside he lines up.

Think miami would look more 3 tech to replace suh or at least more versatility

 

Notice how they only talked about our defensive live for our offense. This is because of the turnover. I think we need to full invest in defense the whole draft. I would be satisfied with no offensive players picked except maybe a project tight end that we think is decent. Our defense is so bad the way it stands now especially at linebacker.

 

Oh you mean backing up a dump truck full of money for the best DT in the game ended up not being worth it? DTs don't have a huge impact on wins and losses? You mean all that stuff I said when Suh was signed 3 years ago and everyone told me I was wrong?

 

Well, that's because you were wrong. Suh dominated...and the linebackers who should have thrived because of it didn't get the job done. That's on them, not Suh. While I agree with you that it was a bad signing, it wasn't because of Suh himself....the problem was that we stopped there and couldn't fill in the other pieces through the draft and we couldn't afford free agent studs. That's on the front office more than anything.

 

I have Payne over Vea..

I see a bit more upside in pass rushing tools, and Payne shows excellent technique in playing the run, very good at it..strong and stout as well, body and frame is perfect..

What does Vea do better besides being bigger?