He made the call, and thought it was the correct call, to spike it after the 4th down conversion. This concerns me, a lot. It was a horrible decision and he has to take the bullet. It may have cost us a chance at overtime.

 

I agree with Philbin on all 3 points.

 

How is it a horrible decision? It could have taken up to 15 seconds to get a new play together. It is a fairly common decision.

 

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly why there are clear problems on any of those.

Especially the spike.

 

I'm only about two and a half minutes in and he's already covered a lot of the topics I keep hearing about yet I have no problem with what he's said.

Follow up question on the spike came off borderline like a journalist trying to assert a straight up "you were wrong and we all knew it" thing. Philbin actually did a good job explaining all the things that were important about that play (1:01 left on the clock, a big play off an in-bounds pass, he made that decision and nobody else did, thought it was the best idea). Then the reporter follows up asking why he thought it was a good idea and it's kind of like, what else do you want me to say? I made a judgment call. Philbin had even said that he thought they had a good couple of plays dialed up on 2nd/3rd down and that was part of his reason.

I've seen plenty of other coaches show a LOT less patience answering a pair of questions like that. Whoever that reporter was, he should probably spend a week covering Nick Saban. If he dared ask a follow up question like that to Saban, Nick would have the reporter brought to a torture chamber to have his skin melted off one inch at a time with a Bic lighter.

His answer about seeking upgrades at the position...I mean, what do you want here? There WAS evidently a Eugene Monroe trade dangling out there. For whatever reason Ireland didn't pursue it. Now there's nada. Guys still available in October aren't exactly known for being saviors.

His answer about whether he's going to make any changes during the bye on the offensive line...his answer told me one thing and one thing only: he hasn't decided yet, or if he has he hasn't told the players yet. Don't expect him to give that info out before he's even made a decision or told the players involved that their dream ends today.

His answer about scrambling on 4th down seemed very coach like. We don't design it that way and if all goes according to plan he doesn't need to do that, but it's nice that he's able to and those two plays were really tremendous plays.

I didn't like his explanation about the lack of ground game though. That one smelled like trying to sweep a problem under the rug as quickly as he could without drawing unnecessary attention to it.

 

We make a HUGE play, Tannehill hits Gibson on 4th down with 1:22 left in the game. We spiked it with 1:01 left in the game. We spent :21 running to the line and spiking it. We were in field goal range. We still had :19 seconds on the play clock when we spiked it.

Why waste a down? In the :21 we spent getting to the LOS we could have called a play, gotten to the line and conceivably snapped the ball with :15 left on the play clock and :55 left on the game clock.

The Ravens were likely shaken from giving up a huge play, potentially game changing. We let them regroup.

Wasting a down, much like wasting a timeout (which we did earlier on a 3rd and a mile) is inexcusable in both these circumstances. Philbin was/is wrong in this instance. I don't really think it's defensible. It is showing who on this board thinks Philbin, and by extension his staff, can do no wrong.

 

I agree with everything you've said. I still think Philbin was dead wrong on the spike though, I loathed the call at the time and in hindsight I hate it even more.

Other then that, Philbin was very coach like in the presser. He's not going to toss anyone under the bus in a presser. He is probably livid at the pass protection, he is not going to say it to a media member. I like that.

 

I don't have an issue with the spike. Personally I think it's a situation where had we converted on second or third down, it would be a non-issue.

Execution failed us after the 4th and 10 conversion, IMO... particularly poor pass protection and a dropped pass.

 

You think it would take an extra 4 seconds to get in a play?

 

Why not?

They have run plays in the past at a quicker pace. Philbin or Sherman had to be telling Tannehill to spike it, why not just tell him to run a play?

 

Common decision does not equal good decision

 

In the NFL it generally does.

 

we're in good shape going into the bye...
better believe if there is anything that can be done to improve the offensive line, it will be done
very interesting comment: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/07/3674102/armando-salguero-miami-dolphins.html
I suspect there will be changes in the line-up. after 5 games there are no excuses...
having said that, the options are few. however, something has to be done & the coach is aware of the situation. it all begins in the trenches. without an immediate improvement in pass protection the offense cannot evolve & RT will become damaged goods.

 

I agree with all this except the Eugene Monroe comment b/c, IIRC, most, if not all, of the NFL didn't realize he was available at the time.

 

That's the problem right there. Bill Belichick famously trains his players in situational football. This was one of them. Maybe they're too young yet. We'll see.

 

Perhaps the coaches were the ones not ready to go ...

 

I don't believe that this happens. If another play is called in the huddle that is to follow the 4th down play, maybe, but how do you know before that play what happens? Do you barely get the first down, or take a huge chunk like Tanny managed to. I'm not sure how long it takes to run a play when running up to the line like that, but it's not 4 seconds. On any team. Just my observation.

 

Just wondering where you heard this, since it's not uncommon for GM's to send out emails advising other GM's that certain players are being made available.

 

because I remember reading of at least one team [the Browns] saying they would've traded for Monroe had they realized he was available.

 

That is easy when you have a veteran quarterback who is one of the best who has ever played the game.

 

I don't see anything wrong with the spike at all. The offensive line, more specifically clabo, got thill sacked on 2nd down. All your angst and frustration should go squarely on that mofo IMO. I'm sure ck has the time for that sack. Certainly didnt feel like thill even got 3 seconds

Edit: according to ck's numbers, that last sack happened in 2.2 seconds!!!

We should just chop block DEs going forward.

 

It's not as simple as saying we got to the line to spike it with 1:01 left in the game, and 19 on the play clock to say that at that moment we snapped it and spiked it, we could have snapped it and ran a play. It would have taken probably another 10-15 seconds for Tannehill to get the play out to the team while hustling to the line, and then for everyone to lineup accordingly and get set. It's not like he could communicate it to everyone as everyone is jogging down the field.

Its not a matter of thinking Philbin and his staff can do no wrong, it really was the right call IMO.

 

said perfectly.

 

15 seconds? Brady has the offense ready in 5 seconds with a bunch of rookie receivers that has never worked with Brady before by using hand signals. There's something wrong with our offense if it takes Tannehill 15 seconds to get a play out.

 

As far as the spike, Philbin said on Sirius radio today that they were thinking touchdown there, not field goal. He obviously wanted the extra time, hence the spike. While watching the game I didn't want them to spike it, but I understand his rationale.

 

This means nothing. It's just coach speak in front of the media. He's not going to throw himself nor his players under the bus in front of the media. This should be understood by now.

 

Wooooah, you want them to implement the Hurry Up offense. You're moving a little too fast there. :pointlol:

 

Pretty sure Brady gets the call to spike the ball there, regroup get a dif package in and run a play.. Hindsight is we lost a down that could have ended in another sack, hurry, int, who knows.. I support the spike and 90% of coaches spike the ball there.. You don't go 40 yds in a tight ball game and rush ur next play, bad things could happen.. Unfortunately bad thing still happened, sacks drops missed fg... Now if we hurried and Ryan throws a pick there everybody would be saying his decision not to spike the ball there and regroup cost us the game.. We lost a down that we wouldn't have done anything with anyways..

 

The problem I see is your giving up a guranteed chance to gain more yards, which is pretty important in that area of the field, and is related to your chances of converting a field goal..there was plenty if time to run three plays..

 

There was enough time to do it all...I'm pretty sure.

 

And, in a funny coincidence, if we had run a play and not performed it well as is possible when we (as humans) are trying to rush things everyone complaining now would likely also complain that we should have spiked the ball rather than run a play when we were all out sorts after that big play with linemen running 40 yards and all.

Hindsight is always perfect but never real. There were many more plays that directly lead to us losing that game than the spike with 1:01 left in the game. The first possession we had after we tied the game was important, we had momentum and we shat the bed. That was much more pivotal IMO, as it gave them the field position to get a FG if memory serves.

 

Creative sequence there for the Jets.

 

Hence why I said the team was still too young. This was back in their heyday, 2003-2005 by the way. Brady was already good yes, but not as experienced as today's Brady.

 

There was still 30 seconds left when we missed the FG. Someone said there was still 19 seconds on the game clock when we spiked it. We didn't have to spike the ball, NOR rush the next play. Call in a play normally (with maybe 50 seconds on the clock/10 on the play clock) and run it and there is still 40 seconds left at a minimum at the end of the first down. Plenty of time to spike the ball if the play ended in bounds or was a sack.

The spike was because we had no plan or preparation for a huge play there. If coach had a play in his head he's yelling it in Tanny's ear on his way down the field, Tanny tells the players and they run it. Plenty of time left still.

 

Exactly. Monroe was not shopped.

"Monroe was not shopped around -- this deal came together between two teams virtually exclusively"


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...browns-wouldve-had-offered-more-for-exjags-lt

 

There you go, still 30 on the clock...bottom line I believe, once you complete that 4th down pass, you have to register in the mind that you have enough time for three plays, not two, to get as close as possible to make the field goal as easy as possible..

 

About the last drive, I think we should focus (for the future success) on the fact that, without one magical play by our QB, the rest of the plays were a total failure, between sacks&drops... we couldn't move the ball at all and, if not for RT's talents, the game would have ended on a sack on 4th down on our 10.... I think this is more significant for the future of the team than Hindsight discussions about the spike

and about Philpin, I don't have any problem with him (I can hear his sigh of relief LOL), but maybe we should focus on the similarities with Green Bay? weak pass pro&forgotten running game (or at least this was my perception about the Packers, if I am wrong I apologize)... maybe these things will accompany us for a long time

 

I can try and find it....but this was not the case in this situation.

 

But they weren't playing for the FG according to Philbin.