Aaargh I am angry Dolphan and I want someone, anyone, fired!!!

 

There are much better and nuanced arguments for firing Philbin at this point than there are keeping them. The latter basically boils down to a lame sense of risk aversion.

 

I think a big part of the problem with Philbin is that he seems to be so risk averse that he doesn't try things that can help the team win. It's as if the team is playing by being retracted into a shell of what an NFL team should be. No downfield passing, no experimentation with young, hungry players (Matthews, Jordan, Hoskins, D. Williams, etc.), no getting Tannehill on the move in the passing game, etc. He's the anti-Pete Carroll.

 

At this point, as in right after a disappointing loss?

There are three games left, none of which are vs the 85 Bears or 95 49ers, that's not a nuanced arguement but it's far from lame. Personally, I think the arguement for firing JP now pales in comparison to the arguement for never hiring him in the first place.

 

Actually, I'd say it's the opposite.

The nuanced arguments are the ones in support of Philbin. They are the ones looking at the most information: organizational structure, off-season development, the costs of losing continuity, risk aversion as you put it, etc.

When fans talk about lack of emotion or when a coach calls time-outs, it doesn't appear a very nuanced argument.

 

I don't care for Joe Philbin as a Head Coach. Not much nuance to that.

 

Nobody has been able to make these arguments with supporting evidence. Its nothing more than a plea toward ambiguous platitudes. You can't claim "off-season development" without actually providing evidence that Philbin has actually done something impressive in that regard.

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It's true. I've been on the fence about him this year, even with the numerous coaching blunders on field and off. Simply because, you can see the improvement in the team, and the development of some players, etc, etc. I think we have a good staff of assistants and positional coaches, and for a while I was on the fence about Philbin simply because I didn't want to rock the boat with the rest of the staff that I think has had a much bigger impact on the team than Philbin has. So, I was worried to loose them. Also, I think, wow, we're in contention with all these injuries, that's something that you could attribute to some good coaching and preparation to overcome all of that.

I've thought about it last night after the game, my initial reaction was FIRE HIM! I stepped away, looked at it more, thought about my initial concerns as mentioned above then thought to myself. I still come to the same conclusion. Yes, you could make the argument (as I stated above) that the fact we're in contention with this many injuries is attributed to Philbin, and maybe it is, but we choked away the GB game, and the Detroit game, and came out flat and lifeless against Buffalo, and KC really while we had a basically healthy team. That to me is the definition of Joe Philbin's career in Miami. Close, but not good enough. He just can't find the way to push us over that hill. He's done a good job building the foundation, and helping to change the culture, but it's time to move on to a guy with an aggressive, winning attitude to build on that foundation. If Philbin had that side to his personality, then we might be ok, but he doesn't. He hasnt shown it in his 3 years here, and he's not going to start. This was the year for him to do it, with his coaching life on the line, and we've seen the same old Joe Philbin.

It's time for a change. Changes to the performance of this team won't happen without change. That change needs to come from the top, the leadership of this team, of this locker room, none other than the head coach. I'm no longer worried about loosing some of the assistants, simply because, good coaching assistants, follow good coaches, good coaches recognize good talent. I'm not prepared for another underacheiving team next year. It's time for a change, not to be afraid of it. Hell, it's almost as if Philbin has even got us fans buying in to his conservative approach. I know I was for a while, but not anymore. I think it's worth the risk now, because without it, we're staring at the same thing again next year.

 

I think Philbin does have strengths revolving around general intelligence and the ability to see the team from the big picture and implement changes accordingly, but I think that's also a double-edged sword in that, with his ability to see more of what's going on with the team, he gets too anxious about the problems he sees and then tends toward decisions that are too conservative. For example, when he takes a look at the fact that he has a developmental QB, no go-to receiver, and a questionable offensive line, he reacts by constricting the offense inordinately and playing it safe in response, rather than by figuring out how to get around those weaknesses while staying aggressive in the process. That sort of constriction and conservativism then shapes the attitude of the team, and you essentially "castrate" the players, in a game in which aggression is fundamental.

I think Bill Belichick shares Philbin's intelligence and big-picture perspective, but when faced with weaknesses on his team, he strategizes and gameplans around them with aggression rather than conservativism, and so his team is able to take the field feeling confident and sort of cocky, rather than held back.

 

I'd take him as an offensive coordinator any day. Just not an inspiring, adaptive or confident head coach, though.

 

Pretty much the way I feel. I personally gave Philbin a long leash because I just hated the instability at HC. But, I`m getting tired of his usual "it all starts with me and I have to do a better job" weekly banter. So, its time to change once again as Philbin is not the answer.

 

See, now that's how you bash the coach, straight to the MF'n point.

Thanks VT, by far the best case so far, and I mean that. The nuanced arguments all go up in flames once you hold a light to them.

 

Three years is just about the bare minimum for any coach who's even somewhat successful. This is only year one if you take into account the discord between Philbin and Ireland.

 

No, it is year three and he has failed as an NFL head coach. It is ridiculous to discount the first two years simply because Ireland was the GM.

Philbin took the job knowing that he had to work with Ireland. No one forced him to take the job under those conditions. Besides, this team supposedly has the most talent they have had in the three years he has been the HC and yet they still aren't any better than they have been the past two years. They were mediocre his first two years as the teams HC and they are mediocre this year.

It is time for Philbin to go.

 

Sorry, I don't buy that arguement either. You have players, they're all talented, to different degrees of course, but they arent in the NFL if they dont have at least some measureable level of talent. Make use of them, modify your system and schemes to fit them. Adapt. Philbin's use of the discord between him and Ireland was just a convenient excuse to save his job last year when he should have been dismissed. Good coaches get the best out of what they have. We aren't doing that. It's time to go. He got an awful lot of new players this season that apparently were as a result of a functioning GM/Coach relationship, and we're in the same spot. I know, now here comes the argument of it was only one year with that new GM/players, they got hurt, blah blah blah. Just more excuses to cover up the lack of results. Talk about not adapting... Albert goes down, James to LT, Thomas to RT. There's been nobody worse than Dallas Thomas at RT this year probably, yet we're still trotting him out there every week. Failure to adapt. Try someone new, even if it fails, at least try and adapt.

 

Even so , I don't feel Philbin is getting the job done regardless. He had enough time to make a positive mark on this team and he hasn't done it.

 

What are you basing this claim on?