NE with 1 min left go ahead with TD and 2pt conversion.
Steelers with MASSIVE 2 pass drive for a TD.
If the conversion is good they're up by 4.
30+ seconds left...
CRAP they might change the ruling on the TD. No catch. Which is crap... Stupid catching/running rules.
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How often does this seem to happen? I hope Pitt can bump them out of the playoffs. I will not watch another Superbowl with the Patriots in in it.
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Gronk plays MN and we get killed.
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Anyone see what a franchise qb can do? Look at SF now
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Made me sick watching that. Against any other team, ANY OTHER TEAM apart from that set of cheating 'C U Next TuesdayS' and that's a touchdown. Fk's sake, can this league not bend over any further for these t**ts? I don't think that I can hate that team any more if I tried.
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https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch/
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I thought that carry the ball to the ground crap was only on out of bounds catches. So you're not allowed to reach for the goal line unless you've become a runner?
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I'm sorry, they got that wrong. Bad, bad call handing the dirt-bag Pats another crown.ripper1961, Tin Indian, danmarino and 4 others like this. -
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Edit: Never mind. Deleted my post. Not worth it... I’ll just use the block list again....
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Maybe I'm wrong by letter of the law, but I shouldn't be wrong here and I think most NFL fans would agree. He caught the ball, went to a knee and then made a football move...that's a freaking TD.
Here's another way to look at it. Let's say the Pats defender had touched him before he extended...which means he was down by contact and the "football move" extending for the endzone doesn't count. Now is it a catch? I don't see how you can say it isn't. And if the first part of that is a catch, it's impossible for extra actions to change it into a non-catch. -
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/1...touchdown-replay-overturned-steelers-patriots
"The ball definitely touches the ground at the end of the play. That’s clear. Less clear is whether James had otherwise grasped and controlled it by that point. It’s made cloudier because we don’t see the ball hit the ground while it’s wiggling.
While we’re on the subject of really specific NFL rules, the league requires that there be indisputable video evidence to overturn calls on the field. You don’t have to work that hard to dispute that James lost control, and that’s even if we take it as a given that the ball’s movements in his hands were because it touched the ground.
This clause in the NFL rulebook doesn’t make the replay officials’ case any easier to make: “If the ball touches the ground after the player secures control of it, it is a catch, provided that the player continues to maintain control.”
The NFL’s explanation doesn’t address uncertainty around whether the ball hit the ground while it was moving in James’ hands. It also doesn’t explain why James couldn’t be in control of the ball as it touches the ground at the end of the play...
There’s a perfectly good argument that James didn’t catch the ball.
It boils down to rules being rules. Even though James had the ball and reached for the goal line, he didn’t possess it through the catch by the NFL’s definition.
But, rules being rules, the NFL’s replay staff also needs to be certain that either contact with the ground knocked the ball out of James’ possession, or that he didn’t possess it when it touched the ground at the end.
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To me that’s as a TD catch. Not just because it would have likely beaten NE but because he caught the ball. Turned up field. His knees goes down untouched and he reaches across the line. TD. Right then and there. The fact he goes to the ground and the ground “causes “ an incompletion is ridiculous to me. Especially since it’s well after he turns, his knee hits, still untouched and reaches across the line for the TD.
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Frees up some time for other stuff though. I won't feel compelled to watch the NFL playoffs or SB. Plus, the cheats can likely get #6 and hopefully #7 next year allowing for all kinds of Lance Armstrong comparisons! -
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The ball moved when it hit the ground as his left hand also came off the ball.
INCOMPLETE- without any doubt.
Pittsburgh has noone to blame but themselves.
They could have easily kicked the field goal to tie the game - instead they chose to go for the win.
Gutsy call that failed
With home field thru out the playoffs at stake Tomlin definately has balls.
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if that was not a catch then, a runner/qb who reaches over the goal line should have to maintain possession which they do not a lot of times once its crossed its a td. the knee going down was the main thing to look at, once the knee went down he turned and reached the ball towards the goal line, which I would say is an intended "football move" so if he has to maintain that then Brady can no longer qb sneak jump over the pile reach out and bring the ball back and has to maintain possession its is pretty much the same thing to me. the refs literally have their hand in too many games, anybody watching football including romo knew it was a td, then after 43 slow motion actions its all of a sudden not a catch. I could see if he caught the ball in the end zone and went down and it bobbled being a no catch, but catching it on the 2 yard line going sideways going down to a knee then reaching for the goal line is such a different thing. Bogus call.
But I put that that loss in big ben, he should have thrown a fade or thrown it away being in fg position on 3rd down with no timeouts and 12 seconds left you have to kick the fg or throw one pass to the back of the end zone it was a bad decision, however if he completed it im sure I would be saying it was gutsy and ben is a savage, but no one wants to go to OT with the pats ever.
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My hope is that since it was the Steeler's that caught the end of the bad rule, the rule will get changed. I am not holding my breath though.
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And replay should never take more than 10/15 seconds IMO - if you can't make a new call in the timeframe, move on. I want OBVIOUS and blatant miscalls reversed, not every last thing nitpicked and scrutinized for 10 minutes. Or hell, take it out of the game refs hands and just have a central command do it. Wire the ref for a 15 second pause, either overturn the call and reset or accept the call and move on.resnor, bigballa2102 and danmarino like this. -
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From the NFL rulebook: "“If the ball touches the ground AFTER the player secures control of it, it is a catch, provided that the player continues to maintain control.”
I believe he did demonstrate and maintain control. The ground certainly didn't help him make the catch, which was what spawned all of these catch rules back in the late 90's. A playoff game involving Tampa Bay was the catalyst IIRC. I forget the receiver, but I think Shaun King threw it. There's certainly no indisputable evidence that James lost control. He had control and made 2 moves before it hit the ground anyway. He brought it towards himself (not a trap, he had it cleanly), then reached for the goal line. Too bad this happened.
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