That depends on what the question is.

Is it, "Can he be a decent starter in a run oriented team with a stout defense?", or is it "Can he put the team on his back and elevate the play of those who surround them"?

 

Invalid Poll. No option for "ROFLWTF"

 

I've said the same thing since he got here. He can make some nice plays and at times flashes brilliance. The issue is problematic decision making, pocket awareness, turnovers and that he doesn't seem to be a leader that guys rally around. I've never thought he would be better than a bottom half QB.

 

A think a poll on if the 2016 Miami Dolphins will make the playoffs should be closer.




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Well, after last night's game I think it's clear that the majority of the debate is going to turn away from whether Tannehill is the long-term answer and more towards how the Dolphins manage the position over the next 2-3 years.

There are a several narratives:

(1) Tannehill turns it around and we all agree he's good enough

Assuming he doesn't turn it around

(2) We could see Tannenbaum stick with him anyway
(3) The team uses him as the 2017 starter while preparing a solid prospect to start
(4) The team uses him as the 2017 starter while preparing a top prospect to start
(5) The team moves on and looks to FA while it builds up the roster with its most valuable picks



Right now I don't see SF or CLE being at all interested in him as far as a trade is concerned so I'm leaning towards predicting he'll be released after this season and that a veteran will be brought in to compete with some new pick. I'm not convinced that pick will be a 1st rounder though.

 

I like option (6) Draft a new QB in round 1 and let him start.

 

It's bad business to pay a QB of his caliber 20M for another season. You cut ties after this season and try to rebuild the team as a whole.


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I prefer option 5 from Greg's post.

 

A better question would be is QB our biggest problem?

 

I've always blamed the oline on Tanny's issues. I knew he wasnt perfect. And the oline definitely isnt perfect. But I am done with this experiment. Season is probably a wash so no sense benching him unless you really think the backups are better. Hope they have a good plan. The way this **** is going they'll be picking top 3 so the scout team better be working.

 

There are many other positions where the level of play is WAY below that of Tannehill. But upgrading from average to well above average at QB I think would do more to help this franchise long term than upgrading any other single position.

 

The problem is that QB is such a crucial role. We've all seen smart QBs keep otherwise ****ty teams in games.

 

The better question is actually why you would pay a guy 20 M who isn't the solution.

I dont want to hang my Sunday hopes on a Qb who's biggest talking point is he isn't the worst player on the team.

 

I'd agree that better QB play would obviously make the biggest difference but we need a solid line (I'd settle for pretty decent at this point) to protect our investment at QB and have some semblance of a running game. We've currently been doing the opposite of setting up a QB for success.

True but we also see smart QBs being taken out of games by terrible lines. Not to mention we don't need our QB getting killed. The fact that Tannehill hasn't missed any time is really amazing given the abuse he's taken.

 

Nobody can win with this team.

Not Dan, not Peyton. Nobody.

 

Ehhhhhhhhh.

Upper tier QB's are good for a differential of 2-3 wins per season IMO.

 

Bonehead me...I forgot the obvious.


I'm with you in that a more consistent QB or at least one who could convert more 3rd downs would do more for this team than anything else.

 

Peyton would of gotten killed behind this line.

 

If they decide to go ground and pound, I'm pretty sure he'd restructure that ridiculous number. It's not like he's going to get more than 2-3 as a backup somewhere else.

 

So would Dan. People conveniently forget he had people like Richmond Webb and Keith Sims blocking for him.

I'm done with trying to educate them.

Let them stay as they are.

 

I believe its better for both parties if they part ways, he needs a change of scenery and will assuredly get a 2nd chance at a decent salary I'm guessing.

 

I'm not sure its best to look at positions in a vacuum like this. What you are paying the QB could be used on other positions. You also can't just acquire talent based on which position is worst performing. You have to consider market conditions as well as the value of the position.

To that end, the poll itself is inherently flawed IMO. "The answer" is rather nebulous IMO. I'll take it to essentially be euphemism for "does he add value"? In which case I'd probably say no.

 

Agreed.

I'd say his value is probably fair at the moment. If he hasn't shown statistical improvement by the time his contract escalates next year then I'll probably say no. I think there's a good chance he restructures either way.

 

https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/781915702982799360

Nobody wins with this kind of garbage line play.

Putrid.

 

Not only that but keep their struggling defenses off the field so they can rest.

 

Based on 4 games played, there seem to be two key differences statistically speaking from years past: Y/A is higher than before at 7.8, and INT% is also higher at 3.6: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm

Interesting combination really without improvement in other areas. I mean.. he's on track to have essentially the same passing yards, completion percentage (as well as completions and attempts), TD's and TD% and overall passer rating as last year.

So what causes Y/A and INT% to increase but nothing else?

If one didn't watch the games, I'd say more risky throws does precisely that, but somehow that doesn't seem to jibe with what I'm seeing.

 

Not that it wasn't a blatant horse-collar either way.

 

https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/781920212916502528

Disgusting. 3 of those guys shouldn't even be in the NFL, let alone starting.

 

https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/781921924133912576

This is very next drop back. Even worse blocking.

 

Wubba Lubba Dub Dub, indeed.

 

I thought you were done defending tannehill?

 

time 4 Ryan/Gase to feign a series of aggregating but not career-ending injuries. start Dolphins quarterback Matt Moore, then continue to quietly improve through coaching & experimentation, while still managing to lose most games allowing us a top QB prospect in the draft. if we do not allow this season to totally expose Tannehill, we may get something of value for him trade.
:crapstrom:bench Tannehill, start Matt Moore

 

This is the only option in my mind.

 

I tell you what. It'd be really interesting to look at a breakdown of where his INTs have been year to year (outside, inside, deep, intermediate, etc.) and who's making them (CB, S, LB, etc.). I think we could learn not only where he struggles but also how that relates to other QBs. I could be wrong but I feel like we see a lot of LBs intercept Tannehill as opposed to DBs. When it is a CB, it seems to be on some slant that's poorly located or stared down.

I go back to something I read recently which is Mike Mayock's scouting note on Tannehill coming out of A&M. Mayock believed he'd struggle on in-breaking routes (which I he does) and that he'd wow people on the out-breaking stuff (which I also agree with). I think that so far that's been pretty spot on.

But what's interesting is that Tannehill struggles a lot in not seeing LBs it seems. He has a lot of dump-offs and short stuff picked off and swatted incomplete.


As far as the improved YPA, I think that's kind of who he is naturally. When Lazor left his YPA bounced up to that range so I think his low YPA was really a result of Philbin and Lazor taking a very conservative strategy into games. So far, Tannehill's had free reign to sling it around and as a result we're seeing his true YPA come out which looks a lot like most every other QB but we're still seeing these weird INTs on short throws that are either in-breaking slants or dump offs.

 

Personally I would go with Doughty the last 4 games of the season. You could with Moore, and I certainly like Moore, but he is as the end of his career. Give Doughty a shot and see what he can do the last 4 games of the year then go from there.

I thought they should have done this the last 4 years with Moore

 

Such a weird bar to set. "Yeah if our run game is amazing and our defense is top 5, we think our QB won't **** it up enough for us to just slip into the playoffs and get blown out in the first round, and maybe, if we catch lightning in a bottle, we can make the Superbowl"

If you aren't putting your team on your back, GTFO because during any Superbowl run, your QB will have to do that at some point.

Not saying he isn't or can't get into that spot, just that it was a weird categorization.

 

Ding ding ding!

 

I'm done arguing about him and I unblocked all the people I had blocked.

But I will never stop trying to educate the masses.

It's my calling!