Possible situation regarding 2008 draft.

I dont think he's a bad pick. I just dont think he's the best pick for your money at the # 1 spot. If the Phins trade down and draft him, ok, but he's not the best player coming out of college.

I would only take Dmac if Ronnie is traded , we cant sink that amount of money into one position. Of course if Ronnie so badly hurt he never comes back the same, then for sure take Dmac, but i guess we wont know for some time.

"sweeper wrote:

RB will be traded if mcfad comes on board. look what mueller did with RW he wont keep em both trust. and dorsey is good but just bc our unit is horrible it doesn't mean you ignore it although i DO BELIEVE we shoudl finish our OFFENSE first before we go Defense. Mcfad wont put us in the top 10 offense cuz our TE sucks big time, our G n T are not GOOD, our pass prot. is horrible and our WRs blow besides Ginn. we are far from fixing it. I wouldn't mind the following to help this unit get better and team...

...Mcfad, trade R.B. get LETSSS SAY a late first rounder for him or something mid to denver, (lets say 25th pick just for the heck of it), get Hardy with taht pick (WR 6'6 220 runs 4.4 40's was a baller now a football player), use the 2nd rounder on a T or G or MLB, use the next 2nd rounder, on a G, T, MLB or DT.
3rd rounder on a TE, S. 4th on a T, G, S, TE or CB, assuming MLB goes in the 2nd.

then in FA go for Trufant (as samuels and aramashadu "sp") wont be let go of. Get some STers on this team via FA and some Depth along wiht maybe, JUST MAYBE a Jared Allen and this is assuming we dont trade JT for more picks as well then pick up 1 more Vet WR as Hagan is not even good enough for a number 3 spot.

1) Ricky was traded because he was a headcase

2) Why do we trade the best player on this team? so we can pick an unproven RB? That makes no sense at all.

This idea that somehow a player who is injured all season, who also doesn't have a productive season, or a season as good as his junior season is somehow the #1 pick the in the draft is amazing.

Thats what they said about Dan the Man.

"enforcerfin33 wrote:

And DT's dont bust? You cant base your draft on past busts. You never know how a player is going to play in the NFL until he is actually playing in the NFL.

All positions bust, but you check around the league and the vast majority of the top tackles were taken in the top 15.

And it doesn't have to be just Dorsey folks. Dorsey would be the first part of a defensive make over. A pass rusher could be added with the 32nd pick. Or the team could go DE Long with the first pick and try to get DT Frank Okam at 32 for example.

There is ZERO argument one can give for McFadden when you have Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Jessie Chatman and an emerging Lorenzo Booker. Even if they toss Williams and let Chatman walk at best you spend a 4th or less pick at RB for depth.

Especially when the Dolphins highly need a pass rusher, a run stuffing DT, a challenger to Will Allen for #1 CB and possibly a Zach Thomas replacement (if he retires in the offseason) that might take care of 1-3rd round picks right there even with FA additions.

"enforcerfin33 wrote:

so you take Dorsey with the #1? Another year another wasted first rounder...good call. And like having McFadden would be a bad thing. Look at Jax, Saints, Minn. Look at what having Taylor and Peterson did to their offense! And they have even less talent on their O then we do!

Wow so we should resign ourselves to being teh AFC EAst spoilers? Not try to improve this team? Cause drfating McFadden only makes our team the same. Ronnie was doing awesome and his injury is not the Cpepp injury and will be 100%, so Ronnie 100% gives us what Mcfadden does. we in esssence stay the same. Dorsey or Long make our d-line instantly better. Dorsey is a special player talent wise, as well as the intangibles of heart and desire he has. He is a special player in a position of great need. We have teh room to re-sign Chatman he may want to go but he may want to stay, Cam showed him loyalty he may do so in return and Ricky will be back. We are covered at RB. We need a player on d-line and move Vonnie to DE and pickup a NT in FA or Dorsey can do it with some bulk.

I dont know why we are debating this unless RB wont be healthy and nothing has said he wont, all reports said he will recover 100%.

"PhinBeck wrote:

Wow so we should resign ourselves to being teh AFC EAst spoilers? Not try to improve this team? Cause drfating McFadden only makes our team the same. Ronnie was doing awesome and his injury is not the Cpepp injury and will be 100%, so Ronnie 100% gives us what Mcfadden does. we in esssence stay the same. Dorsey or Long make our d-line instantly better. Dorsey is a special player talent wise, as well as the intangibles of heart and desire he has. He is a special player in a position of great need. We have teh room to re-sign Chatman he may want to go but he may want to stay, Cam showed him loyalty he may do so in return and Ricky will be back. We are covered at RB. We need a player on d-line and move Vonnie to DE and pickup a NT in FA or Dorsey can do it with some bulk.

I dont know why we are debating this unless RB wont be healthy and nothing has said he wont, all reports said he will recover 100%.

What did the Saints do the yr they drafted Bush? oh yeh one game from the SB. Hows Minnesota done this yr with Peterson? Alot better then last year. And guess what, they made no major changes besides the RB position. A good solid runner can change our whole season, two could change alot more.

"enforcerfin33 wrote:

What did the Saints do the yr they drafted Bush? oh yeh one game from the SB. Hows Minnesota done this yr with Peterson? Alot better then last year. And guess what, they made no major changes besides the RB position. A good solid runner can change our whole season, two could change alot more.

New QB, new HC, new defensive players, rookie WR who had one of the best rookie years ever, new FA TE. I can go on probably.

"Stitches wrote:

New QB, new HC, new defensive players, rookie WR who had one of the best rookie years ever, new FA TE. I can go on probably.

you wanna kick me any more while I'm layin there? lol. But my point still stands..

"Mike13 wrote:

1) Ricky was trarded because he was a headcase

2) Why do we trade the best player on this team? so we can pick an unproven RB? That makes no sense at all.

Thats what they said about Dan the Man.

NO b/c he never lived UP TO HIS potential tahst why. wow do you know what your talking about dude? Hes barely played nething worht of a top pick with all those picks they traded you kidding me.

Best player? so waht if he is the best player he cna't stand on the field so what worth does he do if he is the best but never on the field? THINK about it.

and dan the man dropped b/c of alleged drug usage.

btw they say ACL recovery is almsot always 100% but they never get full speed back. RB was not a game breaker let alone a game changer and now after the ACL its just goin to make it worse. RB dances a lot and had no speed, now hes not goin to be able to dance as much as he did before n lack more speed then ever.

Going to be funny watching some reactions based on the various McFadden threads when he completely doesn't get picked. Not a chance in hell any coach will take him #1 when there are so many greater needs.

"VanDolPhan wrote:

Going to be funny watching some reactions based on the various McFadden threads when he completely doesn't get picked. Not a chance in hell any coach will take him #1 when there are so many greater needs.

It would go down like the Houston fan base when they chose Mario Williams instead of Reggie Bush.

But ask any Texan fan how they feel of Charlie Casserly's decision NOW?

What has Reggie Bush done lately? Nothing. Possibly the most overhyped running back to ever enter a draft with his 3.7 yard per carry this season and 5.7 yards per reception .

And Mario Williams? Having a pro bowl caliber year in his second season at defensive end with 8.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, and 40 tackles.

Mario Williams > Reggie Bush.

You mean Vince young dont you?

"enforcerfin33 wrote:

You mean Vince young dont you?

Young was never seriously in the running for 1st pick.

Seriously though picking McFadden is just as bright as it was to pick Jamar Fletcher when we had Madison, Surtain in front of him.

Like VanDolphan said, Vince Young wasn't even considered. The Texans made it clear that they didn't want to draft a quarterback weeks before the draft. It was down to Mario or Reggie Bush.

I still dont see the logic in passing up a possible franchise making back. If we let him go and Brown gets hurt again, people will question the decision 10 fold.

"enforcerfin33 wrote:

I still dont see the logic in passing up a possible franchise making back. If we let him go and Brown gets hurt again, people will question the decision 10 fold.

The logic is that we have TWO franchise backs already.
IF we take him and Ronnie comes back 100%, Ricky comes back as good as ever, and McFadden sees the ball 5 or 6 times a game....while teams are busting a buck fifty rushing on us every week, there's gonna be a hell of a lot more questions about how we could be so stupid as to leave Dorsey sitting on the table so that we could draft into our greatest strength. I imagine people would say. "That is the dumbest thing I've ever seen any team do in the draft"....and I'd agree whole heartedly.

"enforcerfin33 wrote:

I still dont see the logic in passing up a possible franchise making back. If we let him go and Brown gets hurt again, people will question the decision 10 fold.

Peterson has been great and will be alot of credit for Minnesota. Though they've got the best run defense in the league. More importantly they play in the JV conference. LaDainian Tomlinson was not a franchise changing RB untill the Chargers became a better team around him.

I think Dorsey is the best player coming out of college. Plus I think teams need to build inside-out.

"enforcerfin33 wrote:

I still dont see the logic in passing up a possible franchise making back. If we let him go and Brown gets hurt again, people will question the decision 10 fold.

I don't see the logic in paying $35 millon to a RB who isn't the consensus #1 pick in rankings (Dorsey is), when your paying $22 million to a RB who was leading the league in yards from scrimmage just cause some fans are concerned about 2 freak accidents. Especially when your run defense is 32nd in the league. Especially when your team has more holes then swiss cheese.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Like VanDolphan said, Vince Young wasn't even considered. The Texans made it clear that they didn't want to draft a quarterback weeks before the draft. It was down to Mario or Reggie Bush.

Curious, why is it that the Texans didn't draft Vince Young...hmm...

Could be "because they already had spent a #1 pick on a QB and didn't need another one..."

Sounds strangely familiar..

"VanDolPhan wrote:

I don't see the logic in paying $35 millon to a RB who isn't the consensus #1 pick in rankings (Dorsey is), when your paying $22 million to a RB who was leading the league in yards from scrimmage just cause some fans are concerned about 2 freak accidents. Especially when your run defense is 32nd in the league. Especially when your team has more holes then swiss cheese.

Dorsey is, now how can that be, he has played injured all season, even when healthy in 2006, he was never considered the #1 pick, and now he has vaulted to #1 in the draft status?

Consider that if we draft Dorsey, who will be our starting backfield in 2008? Jesse Chatman, the still green John Beck, and Reagen Mauia.

The only way it would make sense to draft Dorsey is if he has a freakish Combine, like a 4.6 combine 40 ala Reggie White, if not, take a pass.

"sweeper wrote:

NO b/c he never lived UP TO HIS potential tahst why. wow do you know what your talking about dude? Hes barely played nething worht of a top pick with all those picks they traded you kidding me.

Best player? so waht if he is the best player he cna't stand on the field so what worth does he do if he is the best but never on the field? THINK about it.

and dan the man dropped b/c of alleged drug usage.

No offense man but you really need to type a coherent sentence.
I'll respond to the best of my ability.
1) Ricky was also traded because his Social Anxiety Disorder was clearly showing.

2) If it wasnt for Cleo's pick Ronnie would still be on the field, aside from his first year he's just had some bad luck. You dont trade your best player its as simple as that.

3) I was refering to his bad senior year which wa associated with his "coke abuse"

"sweeper wrote:

btw they say ACL recovery is almsot always 100% but they never get full speed back. RB was not a game breaker let alone a game changer and now after the ACL its just goin to make it worse. RB dances a lot and had no speed, now hes not goin to be able to dance as much as he did before n lack more speed then ever.

Ronnie was not a game changer? Not fast? Have you seen him play? He is a stud, he lead the league in Total Yards from scrimmage.
And he cut back on the "dancing".

I have not read the whole thread, but I have a feeling that NE will not be picking top 5 or even top ten. That team is loaded with talent, but some of that talent is starting to get old on D. I could very well see them trading with Dallas for their 2 number 1s, and thumbing their nose at the NFL "see we will still pick 2 times in the 1st". They can afford to get less chart value, as where we can't drop that far down in the draft. And the Dallas owner is way high on DM, from what I understand.

"Ducken wrote:

I have not read the whole thread, but I have a feeling that NE will not be picking top 5 or even top ten. That team is loaded with talent, but some of that talent is starting to get old on D. I could very well see them trading with Dallas for their 2 number 1s, and thumbing their nose at the NFL "see we will still pick 2 times in the 1st". They can afford to get less chart value, as where we can't drop that far down in the draft. And the Dallas owner is way high on DM, from what I understand.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE RIGHT... DALLAS WILL TRADE PICKS WITH PATS TO GET A HAND ON MCFADDEN SHOULD WE GO WITH SOMEONE ELSE... PATS WILL CONTINUE TO STOCK_PILE TALENT

"padre31 wrote:

Dorsey is, now how can that be, he has played injured all season, even when healthy in 2006, he was never considered the #1 pick, and now he has vaulted to #1 in the draft status?

Consider that if we draft Dorsey, who will be our starting backfield in 2008? Jesse Chatman, the still green John Beck, and Reagen Mauia.

The only way it would make sense to draft Dorsey is if he has a freakish Combine, like a 4.6 combine 40 ala Reggie White, if not, take a pass.

Dorsey has been a top 5 lock for a long time. the earliest 2008 mocks had him going top 5 before the season started. and he's still going top 5. great player.