Good post tho

 

Bravo. This is great and it's the perfect time of year to start kicking this stuff around.

I'm on my phone right now so I'll give you my thoughts on your roster when I get home.

Great stuff, Trowa.

What does "trowa" come from anyways?

 

Nice job bro. The shake up could become at RB. There are a lot of questions to this group. Ricky is getting older, but can still play. Ronnie can't stay healthy back to back seasons and was made available this year for a 1st round tender. Is he in the team picture in the future? A lot will depend how good that Cobbs coming back from injury, Hilliard, and Sheets do in camp. If they have doubt about Ronnie in the future you could see a youth movement here as well. Only time will tell.

 

While serving his suspension, Ferguson does not count against the 53 man roster.

 

I would not call that a fact.

 

Nice post, but I tend to agree with JS concerning White v Thigpen as well as Camarillo's place on the roster.
I have nothing as far as what to do with White. However, I would hope after last year, coaches would feel more secure with Thigpen at #2 than White.
Likewise with Camarillo. The guy was our most reliable WR last year - and this while still recovering from an ACL injury. They brought him along slowly similar to Brown the year before.
IMO Thigpen and Camarillo are two guys you bring back. They're both back ups, true. But they're also two of the most reliable back ups on the roster. We've learned the hard way you've got to have reliable depth if you hope to compete.
I realize it's folly to give up on a player after only one season, so I would be surprised if either White or Turner were actually moved.
To be honest, Grice-Mullen has a bigger chance of being the odd man out.
I also believe Ryan Baker may stick.

 

My thoughts:

** Hilliard over Sheets seems like an obvious choice but I could be wrong.

** I like UDFA AJ Wallace from Penn State as the fifth DB, possibly making the team over Jason Allen. He can also return kicks and has great size/speed for a DB.

** I think Thigpen will not be moved and will make the team over Pat White, who will be cut.

** Camarillo should stick over Grice Mullen.

 

Camarillo started every game last year. He started every game in 2008 before he was injured. His snaps for 2008 and 2009 combined are the most of any WR on the team. He had the most total starts both seasons combined, of any WR on the team. That doesn't sound like a backup. He may become one in the future, but I'd like to think someone will need to beat him out in a legtimate competition first.

 

If White stays, he'll be the #2 only so they can get him in the WC stuff. The only real hope for White is that he suddenly develops into something other than a weak 3rd string QB. That said, he'll stay only because he is this regimes' high pick.

I question them dumping Cammy, except by trade before TC starts. The thing is, personally, and I may be in the minority here, but given my druthers I'd take Cammy over Bess any day. Bess is versatile and a good route runner but rather slow. He's inconsistent in the return game as well. His biggest issue is that he seems to go down with the first guy to touch him moreso than the other WRs/return guys we have.

I like what Sheets can do, but given that Cobbs, our regular 3rd down guy was out some of last season, wouldn't we have seen more of him than we did ?? They mostly chose to use Hilliard more and moved Bess around a lot. That doesn't bode well for him coming into this season. If RGMs return game is as good as predicted they could be faced with a tough situation...

 

2010 possible 53 Man Roster:

QB (3)
1) Chad Henne
2) Tyler Thigpen
3) Chad Pennington

Pat White will have to find another job description, SpecialTeams, ScatBack WR, Slot , whatever or move on.

RB (5)
4) Ronnie Brown
5) Ricky Williams
6) Patrick Cobbs
7) Rolly Lambada or Pat White over Kory Sheets
8) Lou Polite


WR (5)
9) Brandon Marshall
10) Brian Hartline
11) Davone Bess
12) Greg Camarillo or Pat White over Patrick Turner
13) Ryan Grice-Mullen

Patrick Turner will muscle up in the preseason & attempt to convert to TE


TE (3)
14) Anthony Fasano
15) the Mix: Kory Sperry or the return of Martin/entrance of Pat Turner @ TE, or Lyndon Murtha @ H-Back/TE
16) Joey Haynos


OL (9)
17) Jake Grove
18) Jake Long
19)Vernon Carey
20) Richie Incognito
21) Dimitri Tsoumpas
22) John Jerry replaces Donald Thomas as the project?
23) Nate Garner
24) Joe Berger
25) Lyndon Murtha


DE (5)
26) Phillip Merling
27)Kendall Langford
28) Jared Odrick
29) Tony McDaniel
30) Lionel Dotson


DT (3)
31) Randy Starks
32) Paul Soliai
33)Jason Ferguson


LB (9)
34) Karlos Dansby
35) Cameron Wake
36) Koa Misi
37) Tim Dobbins
38) A.J. Edds
39) Chris McCoy
40) Channing Crowder
41) Quentin Moses
42) Charlie Anderson


CB (5)
43) Vontae Davis
44) Sean Smith
45) Will Allen
46) Jason Allen
47) Nolan Carrol


S (4)
48) Yeremiah Bell
48) Chris Clemons
49)Tyrone Culver
50) Reshad Jones

look for the acquisition of a veteran FS, possibly Darren Sharper to change the equation

K (1)
51) Dan Carpenter

P (1)
52) Brandon Fields

LS (1)
53) John Denny

just a guess @ what the end roster may look like. there are always surprises once the pads go on & they start hitting. some possible changes to consider: acquisition of a veteran FS, return of a healthy Martin, the Pats have to find contributing, functional positions on the roster to stick. Competition is the Elixir of Success.

 

Don't know why but I feel like Cammy gets traded to KC. He could really help Cassel and we know Pioli well.

 

Friend Trowa, about Pat Turner:
good size, football smart, excellent hands
a RedZone threat, too much talent in the WR stable
& not much of anything @ TE

 

Wow, cutting a 2nd round pick after only one year would tell me:

1) the front office really ducked up that draft

2) this front office is brave as hell being honest about their mistake and movig on. That's what job security from a good owner let's people do.

 

Pat White will have an opportunity to hack out a start/contribution somewhere on the roster because he is a second round choice

 

Not necessarily. He must bring something to the team. This year a roster spot will be huge accomplishment due to the talent.

 

Yup. Can pat punt? Imagine the fake punt potential?

 

I don't need to see the picture of him getting close lined trying to run the ball Brother Barry.:sad:

 

QB (3)
Chad Henne
Pat White
Chad Pennington / Tyler Thigpen

Either Thigpen or CP will be traded during TC ... I still vote for CP. I have no vote of confidence for PW, but he may get 1 more year to develop before he gets purged.

RB (5)
Ronnie Brown
Ricky Williams
Lou Polite
Patrick Cobbs / Kory Sheets / Tristan Davis
Lex Hilliard

Hilliard will have to show some improvement to stick ... but he will not be quick to go - since he may be needed next year. Cobbs appears to be a Coaching staff favorite, but Sheets / Davis could prove more valuable on STs ... it will come down to what they offer as a 3d down back. Brown like several other veterans 'could' become TC trades ... won't get a good idea until the OTAs. Lambala doesn't seem to have a chance ...


WR (5)
Brandon Marshall
Brian Hartline
CAM
Davone Bess / Ryan Grice-Mullen
Patrick Turner / Taurus Johnson / Julius Pruitt


This and G are the 2 toughest positions to project with so many bodies, Marshall and Hartline are locks. Bess would seem to be next on the list ... but it will be interesting to see how much Mullen challenges him. Mullen can also make it as a STer with his 'quickness' and if he can show he can hold onto the ball. CAM is a known quantity - and just makes plays ... possibly not enough plays - but plays none-the-less. Turner has a lot to prove ... and he will go against Johnson and Pruitt. I expect to see at least 1, but possibly 2 of Moore or Wallace on the PS.

TE (3)
Anthony Fasano
Joey Haynos
John Nalbone

I don't think the FO has lost faith in Nalbone, other roster moves forced them to move him to the PS last year ... he has had a year - so we'll see where he stands. I think he'll be ready to produce this year. Haynos is a solid blocker, and showed he could catch if needed. Sperry showed a nice spark as a pure pass catcher - but is not a blocker ... i think they will try another go around on the PS with him.

OL (8)
Jake Grove - C
Jake Long - T
Vernon Carey - T
Richie Incognito - G
John Jerry - G
Nate Garner / Joe Berger - G/C
Andrew Gardner / Lydon Murtha - T
Donald Thomas / Andrew Hartline / Ray Feinga / Dimitri Tsoumpas - G


I will be shocked to see Justin Smiley in MIA ... Nate Garner played well and showed some surprising versatility. G is still a question with Incognito and now Jerry added to the fold. On 'paper' we will place them as the starters ... but that is no guarantee with all the other Gs we brought in. I see only 1 of the flock of Gs making the roster (Thomas, Tsoumpas, Feings, Hartline) and 1 of Gardner / Murtha as the backup T. Murtha could get put on the PS -- as i still see solid potential from Gardner. Berger 'could' still be too valuable to let go ... maybe not with Garner .... the final OL roster is dependent upon the how the G position settles out.

DE (5)
Kendall Langford
Jared Odrick
Phillip Merling
Tony McDaniel
Lionel Dotson / Ryan Baker / Ikaika Alama-Francis

This is make or break for Dotson, Baker and Francis; as i see only 1 making the cut .... especially since McDaniel offers versatility. Outstanding play 'could' make Merling available in a trade ....

DT (3)
Randy Starks
Paul Soliai
Jason Ferguson (won't count for 1st half )

Vince Oghobaase or Travis Ivey goes to the PS, one may make the roster - since Fergie won't be there for a bit. Additionally, with these 2 ... Soliai is on notice as well. The difference is that Soliai can play a penetrating NT ... not sure with the UDFAs ...

LB (9)
Karlos Dansby
Cameron Wake
Koa Misi
Tim Dobbins
A.J. Edds
Channing Crowder
Charlie Anderson
Chris McCoy/Johnston/Walden
Folsom/ Spitler

This changeover will be telling .... can pretty much guarantee Misi and Edds are on the roster, along with Wake, Dansby and Dobbins ... I see only (1) of Johnston, Moses, Walden making the cut. Anderson will have a fight, but think he will stick - as he showed some value last year, and could be a backup on the WOLB side. J.D. Folsom or Austin Spitler will have to prove to be ST mavens to make the cut. I believe McCoy and Spitler will be on the PS. "Could' this be the end of Crowder in MIA ... possible, but not likely until next year (unless Dobbins or Edds plays lights out -- albeit, Edds needs a year to get stronger). The wildcard here remains that we don't have a 'sized' OLB to play SOLB ... at least none that jump out at you from Moses or Johnston ... so a FA is still in the realm of the possible .... and of course, there is the unkown in Wake and his progression from a 1 trick pony.

CB (4)
Vontae Davis
Sean Smith
Will Allen
Nolan Carrol / Nate Ness / Jason Allen / Ross Weaver / AJ Wallace

Is this the year Jason Allen meets the ax ... could be. STs will dictate whether he can be replaced or not. Expect at least 1 of Carrol / Weaver / Wallace to be placed on the PS. Will Allen 'could' get traded - but doubt it ... we want to have a veteran presence and make a playoff run this year.

S (4)
Yeremiah Bell
Reshad Jones
Tyrone Culver
Chris Clemons


** still the chance to sign a veteran FA, which would mean the end for Bell/Culver or Clemons (Bell or Culver most likely) ... still believe Clemons has solid potential, and that Clemons / Jones are our future at S.

K (1)
Dan Carpenter

P (1)
Brandon Fields

LS (1)
John Denny

** we need to find a way to get away from this roster slot ...

 

Nice read but I like a couple shockers... Such as an extra receiver and a strong rookie LB class. Nobody ever gives Cam enough credit. He's too good to let go.

 

QB's (3)
7 - Chad Henne
16 - Tyler Thigpen
6 - Pat White

RB's (5)
23 - Ronnie Brown
34 - Ricky Williams
38 - Patrick Cobbs
26 - Lex Hilliard
36 - Lou Polite

WR's (5)
85 - Brandon Marshall
82 - Brian Hartline
15 - Davone Bess
83 - Greg Camarillo
84 - Patrick Turner

TE's (3)
80 - Anthony Fasano
81 - Joey Haynos
88 - Kory Sperry

OL (9)
77 - Jake Long
63 - Andrew Gardner
74 - John Jerry
64 - Jake Grove
67 - Joe Berger
68 - Richie Incognito
66 - Donald Thomas
72 - Vernon Carey
75 - Nate Garner

DL (8)
70 - Kendall Langford
94 - Randy Starks
98 - Jared Odrick
78 - Tony McDaniel
71 - Lionel Dotson
95 - Jason Ferguson
96 - Paul Soliai
97 - Vince Oghobaase

LB's (8)
55 - Koa Misi
58 - Karlos Dansby
52 - Channing Crowder
91 - Cameron Wake
54 - A.J. Edds
51 - Tim Dobbins
93 - Quentin Moses
50 - Erik Walden

DB's (9)
21 - Vontae Davis
24 - Sean Smith
25 - Will Allen
32 - Jason Allen
28 - Nolan Carroll
37 - Yeremiah Bell
35 - Reshad Jones
29 - Tyrone Culver
30 - Chris Clemons

ST's (3)
5 - Dan Carpenter
2 - Brandon Fields
92 - John Denney

PS
NT - Travis Ivey
S - Jonathan Amaya
WR - Roberto Wallace
G - Dimitri Tsoumpas
DT - Kyle Harrington
CB - A.J. Wallace
LB - Chris McCoy
LB - Austin Spitler


i think we'll trade Pennington and Merling. Smiley is probably going to get cut outright

 

Nice job. Not too many issues with the roster you posted. We obviously can't carry four QB's. I would rather carry Henne, Pennington and Thigpen, but I think we likely will deal Thigpen to a team that is looking for an experienced backup QB, but if not I would cut Pat White and just say we made mistake taking him in the 2nd round.

I think Hilliard will make the team and Sheets will be out among Running Backs. I think Camarillo makes the roster over Grice-Mullens or anyone else as our #5 WR. Patrick Turner may be on the practice squad unless he can show he is ready. I also think Spitler will surprise and make it the LB spot over Anderson.

 

My sleeper to make this team is AJ Wallace. He has elite size/speed combo for a DB as well kickoff return ability. Additionally, he played consistently for a big time school in the Big Ten (at Penn State alongside Jared Odrick). Most importantly, Wallace plays a position of need for us at DB. At the very worst, I see Wallace competing with Nolan Carroll for the fifth and final DB spot. And If Jason Allen gets axed (as I suspect he will), Wallace is in excellent position to make the final 53. He did a good job covering some good WR's last season (Eric Decker comes to mind) so he has the ability - the light just needs to come on.

Put differently, assuming that Wallace's return ability is equal to that of Grice Mullen's, Im guessing Parcells/Sparano would pick Wallace over RGM since theres a logjam at WR already while we are in short supply of DB's.

 

I'd love to see Roberto Wallace make it, he seems to have elite size and be a good target for Henne. I know it's pretty unlikely with the depth of WR at the moment but along with Marshall, the size at WR could be awesome.

 

I honestly believe they'll be releasing Pennington. I really cant see them letting Thigpen go for nothing, especially since teams are going to need a QB somewhere down the line this season or next off-season and Thigpen has shown glimpses of how good he can be. And well, Pat White is Pat White, very versatile and effective when used in certain packages.

 

1 Chad Henne
2 Chad Pennington
3 Tyler Thigpen
4 Pat White
5 Brandon Marshall
6 Brian Hartline
7 Davone Bess
8 Greg Camarillo
9 Patrick Turner?
10 Ronnie Brown
11 Ricky Williams
12 Patrick Cobbs
13 Lousaka Polite
14 Anthony Fasano
15 Joey Haynos
16 Kory Sperry
17 Jake Long
18 John Jerry
19 Jake Grove
20 Richie Incognito
21 Vernon Carey
22 Nate Garner
23 Joe Berger
24 Donald Thomas
25 Andrew Gardner
26 Randy Starks
27 Paul Soliai
28 Kendall Langford
29 Jared Odrick
30 Phillip Merling
31 Tony McDaniel
32 Lionel Dotson
33 Karlos Dansby
34 Channing Crowder
35 A.J. Edds
36 Tim Dobbins
37 Koa Misi
38 Cameron Wake
39 Charlie Anderson
40 Chris McCoy
41 Vontae Davis
42 Sean Smith
43 Will Allen
44 Nolan Carroll
45 Jason Allen
46 Yeremiah Bell
47 Reshad Jones
48 Tyrone Culver
49 Chris Clemons
50 Brandon Fields
51 Dan Carpenter
52 John Denney

The 53rd spot will go to the best special teams player. Could be Lex Hilliard, Kory Sheets, Tristan Davis, Rolly Lumbala, Erik Walden, or Austin Spitler.

QB - Here is the question. How many more years does Pennington have left? If the answer is one then I could see us keeping four quarterbacks this year. The other thing to consider is whether or not Pennington can return 100% healthy. His body has been through a lot.

WR - Every year I hear people say we should trade Camarillo but I believe he is an extremely valuable backup. He could start if you needed him to. He can play special teams. He is clutch. How many #4 receivers can you say that about? That leaves one spot for Patrick Turner, Ryan Grice-Mullen, Julius Pruitt, Taurus Johnson, Marlon Moore, or Roberto Wallace. My money would be on Turner. RGM has a chance if he can make an impression as a return man but we are not carrying six receivers.

RB - Brown and Cobbs return from injury. Polite is the best fullback in the league. Along with Ricky Williams they are the men to beat. We might carry a fifth running back but they would have to be a special teams standout. With the proliferation of the two-back system five running backs might become more common.

TE - Fasano and Haynos are safe. For 2010 anyway. Nalbone will have to beat out Sperry if he wants to stick. I like Sperry.

OL - Long, Jerry, Grove, Incognito, and Carey will start. Draft picks be damned I believe Nate Garner is our swing man. Berger is safe because he can play center. Thomas and Gardner are the likely developmental guys. However there is a lot of competition and Andrew Hartline, Lydon Murtha, Ray Feinga, or Dimitri Tsoumpas could surprise.

NT - Starks is the man. Soliai is safe until Ferguson returns. Soliai better hope somebody gets hurt so he can find a home on the inactive list. Otherwise he might get cut mid-season. Keep an eye on Travis Ivey. He will make the practice squad.

DE - Langford and Odrick will start. Merling, McDaniel, and Dotson will have to fight off Ikaika Alama-Francis and Ryan Baker. This will be a battle folks. May the best man win.

OLB - Misi and Wake will replace Porter and Taylor. Wow. Now that is a ballsy move. I believe the real battle here is going to be between Charlie Anderson and Quentin Moses. I say Chris McCoy will stick because you cannot develop him if you put him on the practice squad and another team poaches him. He will be inactive every week but he will be on the 53 man roster. If Brian Johnston can stay healthy he is a darkhorse. He has a ton of potential. Time to live up to it.

ILB - Dansby and Crowder will start. Edds will play in the nickel. Dobbins versus Torbor for the last spot. Spitler is the odd man out. He will have to be a demon on special teams to stick. He is a shoo-in for the practice squad if doesn't make the cut. Folsom is the next Dolphin to be cut.

CB - Will Allen will try to win his starting job back from Vontae Davis or Sean Smith. This is will be one of the biggest battles at camp. Bring it on! Carroll is the heir apparent in the nickel. A.J. Wallace has an chance to stick as a return man. Jason Allen could be in trouble if Wallace takes one to the house in a preseason game.

S - Bell will start. Culver is not really in contention for the free safety spot. He is Bell's backup. Clemons will have to beat out Jones if he wants the job.

Fields and Carpenter are safe. Denney has been on our team forever. I think he has a Super Bowl ring from the 1972 championship. Shula's favorite player. :lol: