Let's just fire Dan Henning and kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

 

welcome to the club my friend
the pat white experiment is a failure
Henning is clueless

 

I think it's safe to say Pat White was a wasted draft pick.

 

Seems like Ted Ginn gets more love on this forum than Pat White!

 

Better idea.......lets not waste the #44 pick in the draft just yet and start focusing on making him a WR.

I absolutely don't want us grooming this kid at QB but he is a gamer and if you get him the ball in the open field he makes things happen. We're in desperate need of more play makers for Henne, what is there to lose?

IMO the Fins have wasted this kid all year, grooming him as Henne's back up and running that "Pistol" formation, that seems to make most fans cringe when they see it coming. The only way you take him at that spot in the draft is in a multi purpose role. As a play maker....So far they've headed down a much different path with him than I had expected.

And I don't just want to experiment with him at WR as a last resort to salvage something of the pick, I honestly believe Pat White would make the transition and give us another weapon. That in this league, that's the position where he will have the most success. And I also believe it's DEFINITELY in Pat White's best interest as well. If he refuses to make the switch, then I would be looking to move him in the off season.

 

I am with you---stick him at WR or something. Enough wasted downs.

 

Its not Pat White that is the problem, but the times they call his number.

They always seem to bring him in during a long drive and it just kills us.

 

I'm ENJOYING A GREAT WIN. Can we hold off on the negative BS for a day?

 

Put me on the list also. I'd love to get rid of the guy, even for a 7th rounder

 

sign me up. Pat White has been a waste of a down more times than not this year. keep Henne in there. Hes our future. Not White. another wasted 2nd rd. pick

 

Also, no one will fear Pat White when he hasn't thrown a pass since the 1st game of the season and it was 10 yards overthrown.

Who's going to respect him wwhen he hasn't completed a pass all season?

And that's not totally on him. He's 0 for 1 for the season. They've let Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown throw more than Pat White.

 

get rid of a guy after what 5 months?

 

I have no problem with Pat White. My problem is how we use him. At this point, the defense has absolutely no reason to believe Pat White is going to throw when he goes in.

Every play we call is going to fail for that reason. Every time we put White in I'm waiting for us to shock the defense and throw it. Until that happens, you're going to see the defense fly in and crash the run cause...why wouldn't they?

How many times did we pass with Ronnie and yet we haven't with White...

 

Pat White = Momentum buster

Pat White = Phinfan heart attack

Maybe he will have a place but please stop freakin me out with throwing him in on a drive.

 

No you open up the door for another 2nd round QB.

 

What did it cost? Two downs? Two downs and every upcoming opponent must practice at least two ways to defense three different option attacks. Put me on the list of sacrificing the two downs.

 

:rolleyes:

They don't have to practice for **** with Pat White because he hasn't done ****.

 

thats not true. he hasn't been super succesful but he's had some.

 

it totally fascinates me that anyone is worried about what white did or does.

Does anyone care that we just beat the frakin pats in a great game?

And all posters should be given respect? Not by me on this thread!!!

 

He has a pretty good game against The Pats the first time but he isn't a weapon at all.

 

consistent no.

but he was against the pats. im not ready to call him a bust.

 

rrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight........

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d8140f380/Pat-White-Highlight-WK-09-vs-Patriots-2009

.......and Bill Bellichek just showed up to the second matchup in the season without practicing versus an option attack. :up:

 

I don't think its henning I think it's Sparano. It was the Coach that went to David lee on the flight home from the Arizona game last year that asked the question about the Wildcat. They installed it and it worked because it got our two best offensive weapons (Brown and Williams) on the field at the same time. This year we drafted White and some how he got put into the same category as one of our best offensive players and thus given his own package. blaming that on Henning and exonerating Sparano is ludicrous if you ask me. the Coach needs to take the heat for these calls. If for nothing else than it would only take one sentence with him denouncing the package to get it completely removed from our playbook.

 

.........and this comment does not address the topic. The topic was "shelve the gimmicks." So when the "gimmick" is proven to be worthy, you now change your stance?

It doesn't matter what YOU worry about. What matters is what the opposing coaches worry about. I'd place every dollar I have on the fact that Bill Bellichek does not want to stand in front of podium (again) after facing this coaching staff saying -

"We were outcoached."

 

I'll be totally honest, as a fan, Pat White scares the ever living hell out of me, and I cringe when I see him and it looks like he might throw the ball.

That being said, he's a first year rookie playing in a package specifically designed for him. Give him time to develop, give the package time to develop. He's not god awful out there, but I do think that throwing him into the fray, and having the play go sour really messes things up. But I do think he could eventually be a good player

 

PFR has him at 0 for 3 on the season. I thought he was 0 for 5. Regardless, he has thrown since the first game, but without success.

 

They grasped at straws drafting White I think.Rumor has it,at the time, the Pats were going to get him so the Fins pulled the trigger.
Was it a good move? I never thought so.To many other critical needs at the time. It is what it is.He needs to bulk up and start playing ST return man next year.

 

Agreed that they were grasping at straws when they drafted him. He may well turn out to be a fine pick who knows. It's the origination's desire to push him down our throat and prove him a worthy pick that disturbs me the most. He put us in a 3 and 32(?) today when he chose to option to a covered Williams. That's not even mentioning the fact that it was a bad toss or the fact we were just outside of field goal range when it happened.

I for one am not blaming the kid, I understand how hard a position it is to learn at this level. The heat however has to fall on the coaching and in no way should they be exonerated simply becase we won the game.

 

you really think they play him just to set things right with the fans?

 

No My point is rather, I don't know why they play him at all. This entire season he has only thrown the ball 3 times and completed it zero times. He looks confused and fragile while he is out there. And I am sure I am not the only one that says WTF every time they put him in the game.

 

they play him to try to throw the opposing defense off would be my thinking. if they play him he is obviously showing them something they think they can work with be it in practice or otherwise.

 

One whould hope so lol =) Thing is though once put into a game very few things seem to work in a game. So far after 12 games the only thing that seemed to really work was the option to Williams. If we weigh that against all the things that didn't work I think the scale is left wanting.

Hey bro it may just be my opinion, but it is my opinion. I would rather see Henne with the ball in his hands than White.

 

I disagree 100%.

He doesn't make enough plays to warrant playing time over Henne. Especially since now were in the hunt for the division. Put the Pat White experiment on hold because the WC is useless without Brown.

 

he hasn't been spectacular, but he hasn't been as disasterous as he's being made out to be. i think the whole momentum killer argument is bs. if you can't recover after a bad play by white what makes you think they can recover from a bad play by ronnie, ricky, the o line etc.
he hasn't looked great, but he's also a rookie, and a qb at that being put in in what aren't exactly easy situations. Attempting to throw the d off with these plays is not a stupid idea in these situations. if over used sure it can be, but so far I don't think its any of the above. Not to mention our o lines blocking hasn't exactly been stellar in these situations. too many factors to put it all on pat white imo.

 

To me it all comes down to a ROV (Risk on Investment) Or Risk Vs Reward. I after watching 12 gmes I havnt seen enough from him to warrant taking your starting quarterback off the field. after 12 games his 0-3 passing and rushing he is has rushed 12 times for 50 yards. To me and many others this doesn't warrant taking Henne off the field.

As for the highlighted portion of your quote you only make my point for me.

 

He is averaging 4.2 YPC. It's not like he's been absolutely horrible. We also scored on the option to Ricky against the Pats last time. Combined with the extra prep time that it requires, it's beneficial to our team. However, we do seem to use it at the worst times, and I feel like Pat White would be more successful out more of a spread than the pistol packages that we have been going to. That will come in time though, he's still a rookie quarterback.

 

I agree, that "little package" of Pat White's makes you hold your breath waiting for disaster....he's made a few plays and he's been another person the opposition has had to game plan for, but him in the spread vs Henne in the base? I'll take Henne and let him throw on first down....giving Brown some snaps is one thing, he's one of the most dynamic players in the league. I'm all for shelving the "Pistol"

I also have a problem with Pat White as Henne's back up. Personally I'd feel more comfortable with Thigpen coming in, if needed. I have a feeling many of you might share that opinion as well.

The best thing Pat White could do is start asking Henne to stay after practice and play catch with him. And the staff would be smart to give him a hint to do so...