QB for next year and/or future?

"FINintheMOON wrote:

I have read many threads that have said many things about the different QBs that we currently have and the QBs available in the draft and the QBs that will be free agents... However, I have yet to see a discussion centered around the QB position as of yet. And when I say "CENTERED" I mean the position alone without all the talk about Tuna and Cam and Randy, etc...

Let's discuss our QB situation and what prospects are out there that can fill the void for a year or 2 as a vet or the possibility of an immediate starter as a rookie draft pick...

I lifted the below list from Disgustipate , a fellow VIPer… Thanks for the effort DIS… I hope you don’t mind…

FA Quarterbacks
Player - Team - FA Type
Derek Anderson Cleveland RFA
Mark Brunell Washington UFA*
Todd Collins Washington UFA
Daunte Culpepper Oakland UFA
Ken Dorsey Cleveland UFA
Ryan Fitzpatrick Cincinnati RFA
Quinn Gray Jacksonville UFA
Rex Grossman Chicago UFA
Shaun Hill San Francisco UFA
Cleo Lemon Miami UFA
Jared Lorenzen New York Giants RFA
Jamie Martin New Orleans UFA
Josh McCown Oakland UFA
Dan Orlovsky Detroit RFA
J.T. O'Sullivan Detroit UFA
Chris Redman Atlanta UFA
Philip Rivers San Diego UFA*
Jim Sorgi Indianapolis UFA
Brian St. Pierre Pittsburgh UFA
Marques Tuiasosopo New York Jets UFA

QBs in the Draft
1. Matt Ryan, Boston College
2. Brian Brohm, Louisville
3. Joe Flacco, Delaware
4. Colt Brennan, Hawaii
5. Andre' Woodson, Kentucky

Now based on the above lists, what options do we have at securing a starter next year. How many of the guys above are starter quality? How many can be a starter in a year or 2 and what do we do in the mean time? Time for you all to step up and make your argument… Who in the list above will be starting, could be starting or challenge for a starting role on the FINS next year in your opinion?

We currently have GREEN, LEMON and BECK… Who would be a good replacement for anyone of these guys? Look at what’s available and make your argument!

just a name to throw out there....jake plummer

"FINintheMOON wrote:

I have read many threads that have said many things about the different QBs that we currently have and the QBs available in the draft and the QBs that will be free agents... However, I have yet to see a discussion centered around the QB position as of yet. And when I say "CENTERED" I mean the position alone without all the talk about Tuna and Cam and Randy, etc...

Let's discuss our QB situation and what prospects are out there that can fill the void for a year or 2 as a vet or the possibility of an immediate starter as a rookie draft pick...

I lifted the below list from Disgustipate , a fellow VIPer… Thanks for the effort DIS… I hope you don’t mind…

FA Quarterbacks
Player - Team - FA Type
Derek Anderson Cleveland RFA
Mark Brunell Washington UFA*
Todd Collins Washington UFA
Daunte Culpepper Oakland UFA
Ken Dorsey Cleveland UFA
Ryan Fitzpatrick Cincinnati RFA
Quinn Gray Jacksonville UFA
Rex Grossman Chicago UFA
Shaun Hill San Francisco UFA
Cleo Lemon Miami UFA
Jared Lorenzen New York Giants RFA
Jamie Martin New Orleans UFA
Josh McCown Oakland UFA
Dan Orlovsky Detroit RFA
J.T. O'Sullivan Detroit UFA
Chris Redman Atlanta UFA
Philip Rivers San Diego UFA*
Jim Sorgi Indianapolis UFA
Brian St. Pierre Pittsburgh UFA
Marques Tuiasosopo New York Jets UFA

QBs in the Draft
1. Matt Ryan, Boston College
2. Brian Brohm, Louisville
3. Joe Flacco, Delaware
4. Colt Brennan, Hawaii
5. Andre' Woodson, Kentucky
Now based on the above lists, what options do we have at securing a starter next year. How many of the guys above are starter quality? How many can be a starter in a year or 2 and what do we do in the mean time? Time for you all to step up and make your argument… Who in the list above will be starting, could be starting or challenge for a starting role on the FINS next year in your opinion?

We currently have GREEN, LEMON and BECK… Who would be a good replacement for anyone of these guys? Look at what’s available and make your argument!

You can throw Daunte Culpepper out of that Mix and for the Rookies i really like Colt Brennan and Andre' woodson if eather of those guys are aviable when its our 2b draft i say we should draft one of them

"mmikel30 wrote:

just a name to throw out there....jake plummer

i think that Jake Plummer is a good QB if he is willing to come to miami and play for us i am willing to take him

"mmikel30 wrote:

just a name to throw out there....jake plummer

We could always throw out the name BLEDSOE as well... But the point I am trying to make is that there is NO CLEAR CUT upgrade to what we have right now...

Vinny Testaverde and JT O'Sullivan.

"#1dolphinsfan wrote:

You can throw Daunte Culpepper out of that Mix and for the Rookies i really like Colt Brennan and Andre' woodson if eather of those guys are aviable when its our 2b draft i say we should draft one of them

Actually, the Miami Herald reported a few days ago that Parcells may be interested in bringing Culpepper back to the Fins.

"Paul 13 wrote:

Vinny Testaverde and JT O'Sullivan.

i dont want eater of those guys on the team i think it time for Vinny to Retire

"Nublar7 wrote:

Actually, the Miami Herald reported a few days ago that Parcells may be interested in bringing Culpepper back to the Fins.

that sucks i dont think that he would be a good QB here

"FINintheMOON wrote:

I have read many threads that have said many things about the different QBs that we currently have and the QBs available in the draft and the QBs that will be free agents... However, I have yet to see a discussion centered around the QB position as of yet. And when I say "CENTERED" I mean the position alone without all the talk about Tuna and Cam and Randy, etc...

Let's discuss our QB situation and what prospects are out there that can fill the void for a year or 2 as a vet or the possibility of an immediate starter as a rookie draft pick...

I lifted the below list from Disgustipate , a fellow VIPer… Thanks for the effort DIS… I hope you don’t mind…

FA Quarterbacks
Player - Team - FA Type
Derek Anderson Cleveland RFA
Mark Brunell Washington UFA*
Todd Collins Washington UFA
Daunte Culpepper Oakland UFA
Ken Dorsey Cleveland UFA
Ryan Fitzpatrick Cincinnati RFA
Quinn Gray Jacksonville UFA
Rex Grossman Chicago UFA
Shaun Hill San Francisco UFA
Cleo Lemon Miami UFA
Jared Lorenzen New York Giants RFA
Jamie Martin New Orleans UFA
Josh McCown Oakland UFA
Dan Orlovsky Detroit RFA
J.T. O'Sullivan Detroit UFA
Chris Redman Atlanta UFA
Philip Rivers San Diego UFA*
Jim Sorgi Indianapolis UFA
Brian St. Pierre Pittsburgh UFA
Marques Tuiasosopo New York Jets UFA

QBs in the Draft
1. Matt Ryan, Boston College
2. Brian Brohm, Louisville
3. Joe Flacco, Delaware
4. Colt Brennan, Hawaii
5. Andre' Woodson, Kentucky

Now based on the above lists, what options do we have at securing a starter next year. How many of the guys above are starter quality? How many can be a starter in a year or 2 and what do we do in the mean time? Time for you all to step up and make your argument… Who in the list above will be starting, could be starting or challenge for a starting role on the FINS next year in your opinion?

We currently have GREEN, LEMON and BECK… Who would be a good replacement for anyone of these guys? Look at what’s available and make your argument!

He isnt going to be a FA he signed a 3 year contract or he would be a good QB to bring in and if cam is still here we have a shot at bringing in Philip Rivers but i hope we dont bring in Phillip

I dont see Billy Volek on that list...Is he not a FA ??

"Zeke0123 wrote:

I dont see Billy Volek on that list...Is he not a FA ??

Yea he is but i think he didnt put him on for a reason i hope we dont get Volek there are alot of FA that are Better then him

From that list

Mark Brunell Washington UFA* Parcells loves these types of dinosaurs
Todd Collins Washington UFA Is on the radar for alot of teams after his recent success
Josh McCown Oakland UFA Not due to his skillset but rather due to his toughness and grit
Chris Redman Atlanta UFA Not sure if he's a Parcells type but perhaps a possibility
Shaun Hill San Francisco UFA See above
Jim Sorgi Indianapolis UFA Seemed to have a decent command of the Indy offense few times he played
Drew Bledsoe dont think explanation is needed
Chad Pennington - I dont see it but the Parcells connection is there
Vinnie Testeverde - He just cant go another year right?

1. Matt Ryan, Boston College - I think Parcells will love this guy if sees him down in Mobile
2. Brian Brohm, Louisville - Nother ready to go QB. Injuries will be a concern but he throws a better deep ball than Ryan
3. Joe Flacco, Delaware - Parcells type but will he draft a small school QB

John Beck - His future will be determined by whether Parcells feels he is the type of leader other players will go through walls for

Cleo Lemon - Unless Parcells thinks he is going to improve he will be let go

Trent Green - Future might hinge on whether Cameron is retained. Parcells could be willing for Trent to be the vet on the squad

Take Ken Dorsey off that list as he was re-signed to another contract by the Browns.

So we have some additional info on QBs... But we have no argument as to why we should change what we have in place... I don't think that we can get any better than what we have currently...

That is my argument and I wish to debate this..

Jared Lorenzen - New York Giants RFA looks pretty good for the "Hefty Lefty". He needs to drop some weight though. Just a thought...

"adamprez2003 wrote:

From that list

Mark Brunell Washington UFA* Parcells loves these types of dinosaurs
Todd Collins Washington UFA Is on the radar for alot of teams after his recent success
Josh McCown Oakland UFA Not due to his skillset but rather due to his toughness and grit
Chris Redman Atlanta UFA Not sure if he's a Parcells type but perhaps a possibility
Shaun Hill San Francisco UFA See above
Jim Sorgi Indianapolis UFA Seemed to have a decent command of the Indy offense few times he played
Drew Bledsoe dont think explanation is needed
Chad Pennington - I dont see it but the Parcells connection is there
Vinnie Testeverde - He just cant go another year right?

1. Matt Ryan, Boston College - I think Parcells will love this guy if sees him down in Mobile
2. Brian Brohm, Louisville - Nother ready to go QB. Injuries will be a concern but he throws a better deep ball than Ryan
3. Joe Flacco, Delaware - Parcells type but will he draft a small school QB

John Beck - His future will be determined by whether Parcells feels he is the type of leader other players will go through walls for

Cleo Lemon - Unless Parcells thinks he is going to improve he will be let go

Trent Green - Future might hinge on whether Cameron is retained. Parcells could be willing for Trent to be the vet on the squad

Thanks ADAM... I appreciate your input and thoughts!!!:bighug: But do you see a worthy change?

"FINintheMOON wrote:

So we have some additional info on QBs... But we have no argument as to why we should change what we have in place... I don't think that we can get any better than what we have currently...

That is my argument and I wish to debate this..

Well all of the rookie QBs have a higher upside than Beck IMO. Trent Green might retire or Parcells may not want a QB with concussion problems. If that happens a vet will almost surely be brought in. Are they upgrades? Hard to say

Replacing Cleo Lemon will be the wildcard. Do you go with a young vet or do you draft a rookie. My bet is rookie is the way to go and I stand by stance that Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco will get long and hard looks from Parcells. Will he pass on the defense he so desires to shore up to address the most important position? I think that all comes down to how he feels about Beck. 4 year contract almost guarantees a drafted quarterback this year due to the time it takes for them to get the hang of the game

"adamprez2003 wrote:

Well all of the rookie QBs have a higher upside than Beck IMO. Trent Green might retire or Parcells may not want a QB with concussion problems. If that happens a vet will almost surely be brought in. Are they upgrades? Hard to say

Replacing Cleo Lemon will be the wildcard. Do you go with a young vet or do you draft a rookie. My bet is rookie is the way to go and I stand by stance that Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco will get long and hard looks from Parcells. Will he pass on the defense he so desires to shore up to address the most important position? I think that all comes down to how he feels about Beck. 4 year contract almost guarantees a drafted quarterback this year due to the time it takes for them to get the hang of the game

We just can't know about Beck yet. I also am not sold on either QB at the top but I haven't paid much attention yet. The only reason I could see BP drafting a QB is that his new regime has nothing invested in Beck and thus feels no loyalty, no reason to justify the pick, etc. Also, Beck was the 40th pick in the draft, not the first and therefore there is alot less invested in him monetarily which makes the idea of bringing in a young QB more palatable.

We also know that Dallas had Quinn rated #7 overall in last year's draft so if Jeff Ireland comes in it is likely that he and BP will have viewed Mueller's picks as a mistake. Doens't mean they don't like Beck though.

"schmolioot wrote:

We just can't know about Beck yet. I also am not sold on either QB at the top but I haven't paid much attention yet. The only reason I could see BP drafting a QB is that his new regime has nothing invested in Beck and thus feels no loyalty, no reason to justify the pick, etc. Also, Beck was the 40th pick in the draft, not the first and therefore there is alot less invested in him monetarily which makes the idea of bringing in a young QB more palatable.

We also know that Dallas had Quinn rated #7 overall in last year's draft so if Jeff Ireland comes in it is likely that he and BP will have viewed Mueller's picks as a mistake. Doens't mean they don't like Beck though.

Check out Boston College tomorrow at 5pm eastern if you get a chance and gauge for yourself. I always believe you have to see the guys in action rather than read about them. For Flacco you will have to wait until the Senior or Bowl I believe. Definitely make it a point to see the Senior Bowl this year. Our coaching staff may coach one of the sides. Ryan and Brohm will both play apparently

"adamprez2003 wrote:

Well all of the rookie QBs have a higher upside than Beck IMO. Trent Green might retire or Parcells may not want a QB with concussion problems. If that happens a vet will almost surely be brought in. Are they upgrades? Hard to say

Replacing Cleo Lemon will be the wildcard. Do you go with a young vet or do you draft a rookie. My bet is rookie is the way to go and I stand by stance that Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco will get long and hard looks from Parcells. Will he pass on the defense he so desires to shore up to address the most important position? I think that all comes down to how he feels about Beck. 4 year contract almost guarantees a drafted quarterback this year due to the time it takes for them to get the hang of the game

Agreed... But I just don't see Beck starting next year... Granted, the kid has some talent and can be a very good QB. The mess that he was thrown into was bad on every level... I hope it hasn't scared him.

There will be a compitetion for the QB spot next year without a doubt, but I believe that either Green or Lemon will be back in training camp next year. And for my money, I'd say that Green is our vet for next year...

He has much to offer to a rising QB and I don't see a vet out there that could unseat him... As far as a draft pick, I think we will draft another QB... It is a toss up between Brohm and Flacco though...

"adamprez2003 wrote:

From that list

Mark Brunell Washington UFA* Parcells loves these types of dinosaurs
Todd Collins Washington UFA Is on the radar for alot of teams after his recent success
Josh McCown Oakland UFA Not due to his skillset but rather due to his toughness and grit
Chris Redman Atlanta UFA Not sure if he's a Parcells type but perhaps a possibility
Shaun Hill San Francisco UFA See above
Jim Sorgi Indianapolis UFA Seemed to have a decent command of the Indy offense few times he played
Drew Bledsoe dont think explanation is needed
Chad Pennington - I dont see it but the Parcells connection is there
Vinnie Testeverde - He just cant go another year right?

1. Matt Ryan, Boston College - I think Parcells will love this guy if sees him down in Mobile
2. Brian Brohm, Louisville - Nother ready to go QB. Injuries will be a concern but he throws a better deep ball than Ryan
3. Joe Flacco, Delaware - Parcells type but will he draft a small school QB

John Beck - His future will be determined by whether Parcells feels he is the type of leader other players will go through walls for

Cleo Lemon - Unless Parcells thinks he is going to improve he will be let go

Trent Green - Future might hinge on whether Cameron is retained. Parcells could be willing for Trent to be the vet on the squad

He signed a 3 year contract extion

I wouldn't mind seeing Josh McCown or Trent Green back.

"Drfletcherdc wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing Josh McCown or Trent Green back.

yea that could be ok

"FINintheMOON wrote:

Agreed... But I just don't see Beck starting next year... Granted, the kid has some talent and can be a very good QB. The mess that he was thrown into was bad on every level... I hope it hasn't scared him.

There will be a compitetion for the QB spot next year without a doubt, but I believe that either Green or Lemon will be back in training camp next year. And for my money, I'd say that Green is our vet for next year...

He has much to offer to a rising QB and I don't see a vet out there that could unseat him... As far as a draft pick, I think we will draft another QB... It is a toss up between Brohm and Flacco though...

I have Green as the slight favorite to return and if he does I actually see him starting next season, at least at the beginning of the season. I think Beck's learning curve is going to be longer than we had hoped. I do think that if Green flounders or is hurt Beck will be given the reigns. I agree that we draft a QB. I think Flacco and Brohm are definite possibilities, obviously Ryan also, and possibly some other late round picks. I dont think Brennan has a shot of being drafted by Parcells with a 2nd rounder. Woodson probably not either. Maybe Henne or Ainge though I dont like either of those picks. I would rather go Morelli or Johnson with a 2nd day pick but I dont know if Parcells likes those types.

So I think you're right that if you only look at next year we wont be improved at QB unless Beck makes dramatic improvement. But I do think we'll have one more piece added that may pay dividends in 2009