Werner
Johnson
Trufant

That is my short list.

 

Yep, this exactly.

I would add Eiffert, Allen and Austin if we traded down 10-12 spots. If that happened, we could probably get 2 of those 3 by trading back into the 1st.

 

Question for some of you that have star so high, Why select Star when we have Solai, and could probably resign him next year if we wish?..we have a very good 0 technique player on our roster?

 

Wait.

If I put my right foot in.... No that's not right. If I take my left hand out...... Damn, I've always sucked at this game.

:tongue:

 

Depth and talent on thar front line wins superbowls Deej.....not to mention, if we can't re-sign Big Paul, we have his replacement at a fraction of the,cost.

 

Werner
Star
Jordan
Johnson
Austin
Patterson
Rhodes
Trade Down.

 

With Starks, Solai and Odrick on the roster, It's tough to project what we want to do next year.

What if we want to resign Solai next year, do you see our defense being most effective using two players with those skillsets?

 

1. Austin
2. L.Johnson
3. J.Jones
4. E. Ansah
5. J. Cyprein

 

Yes. Talent is talent. BPA. Horizontal drafting and all that.

If Lane Johnson is gone but Star isn't, I hope Ireland skips with an SEG the entire way to the podiumv

 

1. Austin
2. Eifert
3. Patterson
4. Jarvis Jones
5. Cooper

 

My short list for #12
DT Star
WR Patterson
DT Richardson
OG Cooper
DE Werner
WR Austin

Only players I would trade up for:
CB Milliner
OT Johnson/Fisher/Joeckel

 

Going strictly by guys that I think may be on the board when we are on the board.

1. Tavon Austin (really have come around to what he can do for our offense)
2. Jarvis Jones (total rebuild of the line backer corps… love Jones as a playmaker)
3. Cord Patterson (same as Patterson)
4. Cooper (Force on the inside that can get to the 2nd level)
5. Lane Johnson (outside chance that he falls to 12)
6. X Rhodes (Would prefer to take a CB in the 2nd)
7. Star (not really a need for this year)

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Pick #42
1. M Watson OT FSU
2. J Pugh OL
3. Jamar Taylor
4. Elam
5. Tank (I think his injury and not being able to work out is going to cause him to drop more then ppl realize)

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#54
1. DJ Hayden (might be in the 42 list)
2. J. Franklin RB UCLA
3. D Slay CB
4. Ertz
5. Swearinger

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#77
1. Swearinger
2. S. Bailey
3. Escobar
4. G Bernard
5. B Williams

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#82
1. B Williams
2. L Bell RB
3. R Swope
4. Kelce
5. Schwenke

 

Soliai and Starks are in their last year and are already expensive.

Regardless, I think Star is that good. When you have top 5 talent drop you way, and I think both Star and Jarvis Jones qualify, you don't think twice.

For example, in a hypothetical alternate universe, I would draft Andrew Luck this year even though we already have Ryan Tannehill, and then trade Ryan.

My favorite option is to trade down six spots. We'll see how it plays out, but I if you let Dallas trade up for Star for their 2nd, I betcha there are good odds that one of Tavon Austin, Jarvis Jones, Kenny Vaccaro, Desmond Trufant (who I really like) or Eifert are there.

Could you imagine picking up another second AND getting Tavon Austin? This discussion board would break.

 

Austin
Werner
Vaccaro
Eifert
Star
Johnson (not via trade up)

If its not one of them, I wouldn't be thrilled - either a reach or taking a player with a risk I don't like.

 

01. Xavier Rhodes
02. Jarvis Jones
03. Star Lotulelei
04. Jonathan Cooper
05. Tavon Austin
06. Cordarrelle Patterson
07. Desmond Trufant
08. Sheldon Richardson
09. Tyler Eifert
10. Kenny Vaccaro

 

Austin
Johnson
Eifert (after trade down)
Cooper or Warmack (after trade down.)
Patterson (after trade down)

 

I just can't adhere to that philosophy Az if under the assumption that Solai is in our long term plans..if he is drafted, I would look to move Solai for a pick next year.

 

you have the same first three I posted for a scenario in another thread...instead of Swope though I went with Lemonier with that first third, then badger of course with 3b, but I'm willing to go way earlier on that kid if the staff checks him and wants to work with him..first round talent ..

 

For fun I took your question a step farther, 24/7.

I weighted each person's answers and tallied up who ThePhins.com as a board (participatory members anyways) MOST wants at #12.

I weighted the #1 choice of a poster with 12 points, the number 2 choice 11 points and so on. After totalling each players weighted points, I divided by the number of voters to see who ranked where, from a groupthink perspective.

Results below:

1) Tavon Austin 9.11
2) Star Lotuleilei 6.33
3) Lane Johnson 5.55
4) Jarvis Jones 5.05
5) Bjorn Werner 4.72
6) Cordarrelle Patterson 4.33
7) Johnathan Cooper 3.11
8) Dion Jordan 2.72
9) Tyler Eifert 2.55
10) Kenny Vaccaro 2.5
11) Xavier Rhodes 2.33
12) Trade UP Milliner 1.83
13) Ezekiel Ansah 1.55
14) Trade Down 1.27
15) Sheldon Richardson 1.22

Everyone Else:
D Trufant 1.05
Trade Up Lane Johnson 0.88
Alec Ogletree 0.55
J Cyprien 0.44
Sharriff Floyd 0.38
"Kicker" 0.28
Eric Fisher 0.28
Luke Joeckel 0.16


Here's who we at ThePhins want,

BY POSITION

DE/LB 24%
WR 23%
OL 15.6%
DT 13.6%
CB 5.8%
Safety 5.1%
TE 4.4%
TRADE UP CB 3.1%
TRADE DOWN 2.2%
TRADE UP OL 1.5%
LB 1%
K 0.5%

 

I see what your saying 24, but I'm not sure, let me ask you, how do you feel about Star on third down?

 

I think he's getting plenty of credit as a prospect, I think the heart thing affected perception, I'm just trying to justify Star over Sheldon, I think the versatility of Sheldon edges it out for me..

 

1. Austin
2a. Vaccaro
2b. Richardson
2c. Patterson
5. Jarvis Jones
6. Rhodes
7. Cooper

Ansah, Dion Jordan, Lotulelei, and Lane Johnson will all be gone so they're not on my list.

 

That's a tough call in that battle. I think it'd depend on what the FO's thoughts are on developing guys like Vaughn Martin and Kheeston Randall. Both of them seem like they'd be in line to play the 1-technique DT spot - Soliai's position. I think it also depends on what they think of Jared Odrick. Randy Starks is the most valuable interior lineman Miami currently has because he can play 3-downs. If they're insistent on keeping Odrick at that 5-technique DE spot AFTER 2013, then you go with Richardson to replace Starks (assuming he's not going to be re-signed) as I think you can get mileage out of Martin and Randall in terms of replacing Soliai.

I ranked Lotulelei higher in my rankings going on the basis of "If I were Jeff Ireland", assuming Soliai and Starks continue to play as they have the past few years, I'm more inclined to re-sign Starks as he gives you more. I'd draft Lotulelei to replace Soliai so you don't have to leave it up to banking on Martin and/or Randall. That said, I think it's almost overkill at this point to draft another DT. But, Jeff Ireland likes to "strengthen his strengths".

I just think there's more pressing needs to fill than a DT spot at this juncture, which is why I have Rhodes and Jones over Lotulelei.

 

I don't agree with the mindset of filling needs only when it hits desperation mode. DT is an anticipatory need. We'll either have to re-sign both of our current guys or draft their replacements, and considering we've pushed a bunch of money forward it'll be more feasible to replace one half our starting DT duo this draft and give that player a year to break in provided the value is there to make the player worth drafting.

 

I find it hard to look at the DTs because it is such a strength but in the first round I always want to take the best player available. I want this guy to be a probowler and hopefully an all pro. I use the latter rounds more with the horizontal technique and use best player at a need. First round talent. If Star is there or Sheldon and they are the highest ranked player than I think we should take them. I'm actually surprised any of the three DTs or LTs will be there as they are always in high demand.