http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...k's new team.[/QUOTE] Who needs play makers?
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We'll see, isn't Detroit in cap problems?
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Who needs players that actually fit what you run?
This is the fans' point of view on this. They see Reggie Bush, they see the big plays he makes, and they ignore the fact that he brings no consistency to the table and is a below average zone runner. "He makes big plays, so we have to keep him!"
It's the same fallacy in thinking that the team just absolutely has to sign Mike Wallace and overpay him to get him. "He makes big plays!" Yeah, but he's a bad fit for the offense because he does not run out patterns, dig patterns, or comebacks well at all. Guess what? Those routes just happen to be the major routes receivers run in this offense. $12 million for a one trick pony whose numbers have declined in each of the last three years. Those of us that understand statistics know that is a trend, and it is a trend that is unlikely to reverse course. When Mike Wallace's speed leaves him, he's got nothing to go on in the NFL. He's not quick. He's not physical. He's not going to win many battles in tight coverage for the ball. Really, all he can do is run by you, and this past year, he only caught 19.4% of the "deep passes" that went his way.Mainge, unluckyluciano, HULKFish and 3 others like this. -
I'd like Reggie to give us a nice hometown discount. He wasn't perfect but I'd guess 80% of our offensive "highlight" plays were #22.
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I think Detroit might be the best fit for him. That's where I thought he'd go all along.
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I had seen enough of Reggie by midseason to say this would be the move, I think he's a hell of a worker, a great teammate, but he's a luxury player when we need a workhouse, downhill pounder, if he was willing to accept a role and have that contract reflect then ok, but if he views himself as the man in the backfield I believe it's the right move to let him go.
Eddie lacy is in play for me if he's at 2a. -
I wouldn't sleep on the Bengals. I think he might also be open to Oakland or San Diego being a West Coast guy.
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Uhm, yeah, let's hope Miller is a durable workhorse, it worked with Daniel Thomas..wait what?finfansince72 likes this. -
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And yet, the hope this offseason is, Ireland of course will sign FA's for the offense while losing the playmakers we already have on the roster..oh the irony. -
Except Wake. That's a good one.
Now, I love Miller. I don't trust Thomas. That's the gist of things. Bush isn't ideal, but we know what he is. We don't know what Miller is yet. We know what Thomas is and it isn't good.
If we let Bush leave, he leaves. It is what it is. But I just hope it doesn't bite us in the arse if Miller gets hurt/doesn't pan out and Thomas is Thomas. -
Those numbers don't even address the fact that Lamar is a better fit for a zone blocking scheme like the Dolphins want to run. Unlike Reggie, Lamar is a runner that will put his foot in the ground and get down field. He's not going to waste time dancing in the backfield with a lot of east/west motion. He's going to read his blocks, see his cut back, put his foot in the ground, and hit the hole. The fact that he brings tremendous big play ability to boot is a plus. -
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Good thing we drafted Brandon Marshall as well..oh wait.
At some point it may sink in that Ireland takes very few chances and would much rather trade for a playmaker then try to draft them.
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Ireland has to have confidence in his draft choices, as fans and after watching them fail, we have every reason not to be confident, but that is how the NFL works. -
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We will need big plays from this guy immediately. -
And it is about big plays, the league has changed Kb, 4 .2 ypa really does not mean as much as it once did. -
I said I like Lamar Miller. But we don't know if he is the guy yet. In a league when rookie RB's usually come in and start right away, he had chances in game 2 and 3 and then disappeared. Why is that? Is he dumb as a rock? Is he weak at blocking? What is it?
I like what I see from Miller, and do agree he's our future. I just think Bush/Miller is 100000x better than Miller/Thomas.
By the way, 3.5 and 2.9 ain't such a huge difference I'm sitting here with my jaw on the ground or anything. For a guy who fits our system to a T, I'd expect more than half a yard difference.
Let's not also forget neither Miller or Thomas has railed off home runs either with very long runs. -
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I think we too often forget those drive killing runs because there aren't any highlight reels of them. I can still remember one play clearly that perfectly encapsulates why I'm not a huge fan of Bush.
It was 2nd and 3. Reggie runs to the left and had any easy three yards if he just went forward (there was an obvious hole), but instead he bounced it to the outside and lost five yards. Instead of a first down, it was now 3rd and 9, which Miami failed to convert.
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Lets put it in perspective since folks around here LOVE PFF. Reggie Bush was a -2.6 player this season. Lamar Miller was our only positive running back this past season.
Sure his big plays were nice.....it was nice to see someone score TD's...but just cause he was the only guy..doesn't mean it's right to keep him. He was a drive killer also.Steve-Mo likes this. -
Srsly?
The OL was poor last yr, the same PFF you quote also ranked us the worst OL in the AFCE, but let's just skip over that little fact. -
I think Omar said a couple of weeks ago on Twitter that Reggie was going to end up a Lion.
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FYI I only quoted PFF cause those same folks who think Bush actually did well (Sorry folks..but I seriously question if you have an f'n clue about football if you think Bush did well) swear by PFF. Myself...I'm in the middle ground with them. For example they couldn't grade their way out of a paper bag when it comes to zone blocking OL.
The simple fact is that Bush is barely a 1000 yard feature back. Being in the realm of 4.0 avg carry as a feature back means crap...it's the equivalent of being a 1000 yard #1 back. That was great...............in the 70's. The fact is Bush killed a crap load of drives dancing around and when he wasn't pulling off those chunk yards he sucked ***. Call it the line all you want.........but gee the line sure looked good when Miller was running.
If we weren't trying to run a zone blocking OL I'd welcome him back in a reduced role as the clear #2 guy. But the fact is he's not a good fit for Sherman's offense and with all the cap room, picks and a generally ok crop of FA's..I'd rather find someone different.
I'd look into Danny Woodhead. Now here's a guy who had 7 TD's as a "complimentary" player. Question with him...is whether he can do that outside of NE. Not sure what type of blocking scheme the Rams use but I'd be curious about Stephen Jackson splitting duties with Miller (If he would even go for that). Would give us a tough in between the tackles runner to compliment Miller. Then of course there is Bradshaw. Him and Miller combined would be deadly...but again the risk there is health.Steve-Mo likes this. -
Footballoutsiders had Reggie Ranker 30th this past season. They've done numerous studies showing that boom or bust is not good. A series of runs like (4, 5, 7, 4) yards is more valuable than (1, 20, -2, 3) yards even though the second set actually gained two more yards overall.
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There's not a huge difference between 3.5 YPC and 2.9 YPC? Really? 3 rushes of 3.5 YPC is a first down. 3 rushes of 2.9 YPC is a punt. So, tell me how can there not be much difference when on results in keeping the ball, and one results in giving it to the other team? Particularly when the one averaging 3.5 YPC is a rookie and the one averaging 2.9 YPC is a 7 year veteran. -
This isn't about averaging 4.1 YPC without big plays to averaging 2.9 YPC with big plays. This is about getting a guy on the field that can give you both the big plays and consistency. That's not Reggie Bush.
It is so obvious to me that the majority of you have no background in football, as you don't have a clue about scheme fits.Steve-Mo likes this. -
He'd do well in that offense with Green, Sanu, Jones all on the outside, Hawkins in the slot and Gresham at TE. He'd be one more weapon for Andy Dalton, who surprisingly, a lot of Bengals fans are starting to sour on (can't beat good defenses).
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