Richard Marshall

Taylor released for $...????

Patterson maybe gone??

I didn't like Marshall being released because he was a very good option for safety depth. I have a very low opinion of Jimmy Wilson and I don't think McCray is ready yet.

Looked like a pure money move to me, and we have plenty of cap.

We can never be sure we know the real story. Maybe they were not confident his back was going to be O.K. going forward.

Did you not watch last year? He sucks. Good move by the front office.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Did you not watch last year? He sucks. Good move by the front office.

This. He just might have been not that good.

There are 7 CB on the team and Wilson can play the dime. You can't keep everyone.

Taylor released? News to me.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Did you not watch last year? He sucks. Good move by the front office.

He got hurt in the 2nd game. Played two more while hurt. He was out the last 12 games. That is not enough of a picture of him to declare he sucks.

"FanMarino wrote:

Taylor released? News to me.

I think WPG is saying that Taylor had been hurt before Marshall was released. Factually, that is correct. Was Marshall released because he was overpaid? Was he released because he isn't very good. Well, it's a little bit of both. Unfortunately, Will Davis has also gotten hurt and Taylor has now had a recurrence of the injury, so guys like RJ Stanford, Nolan Carroll and Jimmy Wilson are going to be needed more than they should be in an ideal situation.

We had a lot of success blitzing Wilson from the nickel a few years back and from one day to the next they stopped blitzing him. Who knows anymore.

"MrClean wrote:

He got hurt in the 2nd game. Played two more while hurt. He was out the last 12 games. That is not enough of a picture of him to declare he sucks.

Not enough for you maybe. I thought he was overrated garbage when we first signed him. 4 games and how ever many pass interferences later, he never showed the slightest potential.

I have a ton of concerns about camp warrior Will Davis too...

"Clark Kent wrote:

Not enough for you maybe. I thought he was overrated garbage when we first signed him. 4 games and how ever many pass interferences later, he never showed the slightest potential.

I have a ton of concerns about camp warrior Will Davis too...

That's a little unfair since he did show something in preseason, and he showed it in college before that too. This isn't Brian Manning or Brandon London fading when the pads come on and plays get real. And sorry, I don't mean in any way that you shouldn't have concerns (I do too), it just seems like you're calling him a "camp warrior" in a derogatory way.

Well, this is one of the moves Ireland will be judged on when the season ends, if it is a track meet in our secondary with Cb's in the "trail cover" position, it falls on his desk.

I personally thought Wilson should have been on the bubble over Marshall, then Carrol then Stanford.

Great thing about the NFL, if we lose, there is no hiding it, no speech can cover for it.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Richard Marshall and Dimitri Patterson were battling for the same roster spot. Patterson won.

I don't see why that's so hard to understand.

That's completely understandable...but I think some (myself included) at least wonder a little bit, why he was let go when he's generally viewed as better than everybody else below #2 on the depth list...unless of course the team is really high on the rooks, which I guess would be the most reasonable explanation.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Not enough for you maybe. I thought he was overrated garbage when we first signed him. 4 games and how ever many pass interferences later, he never showed the slightest potential.

I have a ton of concerns about camp warrior Will Davis too...

He was very good in 2011 for Arizona, in every coverage matrix, such as coverage snaps per target (2nd best among corners), yards allowed per coverage snap (8th fewest), and coverage snaps per reception (3rd best). QB rating on passes into his coverage was a 64.9, 13th lowest among corners.
He was also the best corner in the league in run stop percentage.
Considering he got hurt in the 2nd game and tried to play through it for that game and 2 more, I see no reason whatsoever to use 2012 as typical of his ability. I consider his 500 snaps in coverage in 2011, while healthy, as painting a more accurate picture.

3 of his 4 penalties last season came after he injured his back. You may like to think that his physical condition played no part in them, but I would disagree. Those 3 penalties came in the Jets game, where also had one int, 2 passes defensed, gave up no TDs, and allowed a passer rating of 40.4

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Richard Marshall and Dimitri Patterson were battling for the same roster spot. Patterson won.

I don't see why that's so hard to understand.

Really?

So the plan was to rely on Taylor and Davis? Or Carrol and Wilson?

By waiving him we exposed ourselves to paper thin depth, this with Taylor coming off of injury and having no idea how he will play when the games start, meaning Nolan "What are ball skills" Carrol is our #3 Cb now.

"padre31 wrote:

Well, this is one of the moves Ireland will be judged on when the season ends, if it is a track meet in our secondary with Cb's in the "trail cover" position, it falls on his desk.

I personally thought Wilson should have been on the bubble over Marshall, then Carrol then Stanford.

Great thing about the NFL, if we lose, there is no hiding it, no speech can cover for it.

The ONLY reason to keep any of Carroll, Wilson or Stanford over Marshall was one thing only. Contract. One that Ireland himself signed Marshall to. We did not keep the better corner, we kept the cheapest. That doesn't sit well with me.

"padre31 wrote:

Really?

So the plan was to rely on Taylor and Davis? Or Carrol and Wilson?

By waiving him we exposed ourselves to paper thin depth, this with Taylor coming off of injury and having no idea how he will play when the games start, meaning Nolan "What are ball skills" Carrol is our #3 Cb now.

This...

"padre31 wrote:

Really?

So the plan was to rely on Taylor and Davis? Or Carrol and Wilson?

By waiving him we exposed ourselves to paper thin depth, this with Taylor coming off of injury and having no idea how he will play when the games start, meaning Nolan "What are ball skills" Carrol is our #3 Cb now.

Spot on Padre! Spot fvcking on!!! :sad:

I watched MArshall when he was here in Carolina....and when he signed this big deal in Miami I threw the closest thing to me across the room. When he was cut I nodded my head because I saw it coming like Marty McFly. Hes a decent corner. MAYBE. IMO hes a better safety. He wasnt worth the money here with Patterson making money and doing better in camp, and Patterson wasnt coming off a back injury. It was the wrong move to sign him, it was the better move to cut him.

Let's add to the mix, we lost 3 Cb's in basically the two weeks since Marshall was waived, w/ caused us to lose Francis and Randall from the DT depth, though at the time Taylor and Patterson were not known to be injured.

Basically this is a classic case of a cap move blowing up in the GM's face.

"MrClean wrote:

The ONLY reason to keep any of Carroll, Wilson or Stanford over Marshall was one thing only. Contract. One that Ireland himself signed Marshall to. We did not keep the better corner, we kept the cheapest. That doesn't sit well with me.

We kept the better of the two between Marshall and Patterson. Ireland realized he signed Marshall to a bad deal and cut bait.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

That's completely understandable...but I think some (myself included) at least wonder a little bit, why he was let go when he's generally viewed as better than everybody else below #2 on the depth list...unless of course the team is really high on the rooks, which I guess would be the most reasonable explanation.

To me, it makes sense to let your rookies play the nickel and dime spots, in hopes they'll get experience for eventually taking over the 1 and 2 spots. If you rate Marshall a (arbitrary number) 56 out of a 100 and Taylor and Davis are each a 50/100 but are cheaper and have higher ceilings, then it makes more sense to cut Marshall and save some cash while not taking away valuable reps for Taylor and Davis.

Taylor and Davis probably aren't expected to be out long, so we carry a couple of DBs until they get back, drop those guys, promote Tyms and McNutt and probably bring back a Randall (or whoever) on the PS.

"RoninFin4 wrote:

We kept the better of the two between Marshall and Patterson. Ireland realized he signed Marshall to a bad deal and cut bait.

I am not disagreeing with that. The other 3 corners he kept instead of Marshall though, are all cheap garbage and that is the absolute only reason he did so.

"Fin D wrote:

To me, it makes sense to let your rookies play the nickel and dime spots, in hopes they'll get experience for eventually taking over the 1 and 2 spots. If you rate Marshall a (arbitrary number) 56 out of a 100 and Taylor and Davis are each a 50/100 but are cheaper and have higher ceilings, then it makes more sense to cut Marshall and save some cash while not taking away valuable reps for Taylor and Davis.

Yep...has to be the only explanation from where I'm sitting...Taylor/Davis coming up gimpy is just real bad timing.

"MrClean wrote:

I am not disagreeing with that. The other 3 corners he kept instead of Marshall though, are all cheap garbage and that is the absolute only reason he did so.

Jamar Taylor is going to end up better than Richard Marshall. Hell, in his limited reps in preseason, Taylor looked better than Marshall did this preseason. And I'd argue there wasn't much of a drop off with Nolan Carroll taking over for Marshall last year. Will Davis is the only CB on the roster that IMO, is not ready for the NFL regular season. He's too inconsistent, and is a BAD tackler. But, most teams are generally going to keep and develop a 3rd round pick over and overrated, overpaid veteran. Miami's shown it's going to go with youth over experience when battles are close.