The hints pointing towards the coaching staff calling games conservative and scared are piling up. It's a bad way to play the game if you expect to be a winning team, it's a bad way to groom and develop a young QB that has flashed abilities to be a good QB playing within his element and it's a waste of a top WR talent which we spent a pretty penny and a valuable draft pick to bring in as a playmaker scheming games this way.

This team has weaknesses without a doubt but they are magnifying them the way they are going about using the talent on this team rather than allowing the strengths of the team to go all out.

 

Not surprising whatsoever.

If it’s true that the coaching staff is down on Henne for not executing, then that’s partially on the coaching staff for expecting him to execute without being able to adjust.

 

Can I just... please... just one more...?








**** YOU DAN!!!!1!

 

It's not in any sense surprising, shocking, or out of the ordinary for a young quarterback not to be given that responsibility.

But let's carry on where the game where every single thing no matter how inconsequential or nonsensical is a damning indictment of something

 

This is news to you guys?

Sparano said weeks ago that Henne has kills, meaning it can be run or pass depending on what he is seeing from the Defense, not exactly audibles but not Robot stuff either.


Folks need to chill a bit.

 

Thats no real surprise. Further proof that the staff is really holding things back here, especially with the offense.

I don't want to get off topic with the thread, but WOW... Ricky's talk about Sprarano is really interesting. It starts around the 15 minute mark..

Im paraphrasing of course, but it went like this:

We're tough, smart and disciplined, and our coach values 3 things and they are what he calls the makeup of a player and that you can win with those three things. I would say, that I dont know if we as a team believe that is what you need to win a football game. I dont think we appreciate that about ourselves.

... Then later he goes on to say...

I dont think players today really buy in to smart, tough, and disciplined leading to winning a superbowl

Wow. I was saying things like this since sunday, just seems like the guys are out there going through the motions, and not really buying into the messages from the coaches. Looks like Ricky is pretty much telling us that same thing. Maybe I'm reading too much into his comments, but if that is indeed what Ricky is saying, thats very troubling.

 

I've been saying it for a while now. Henning is trying to prove something that's not there. Henne has thrown the ball 107 times in the last three games.... two of those games were losses obviously. We ran the ball 13 times yesterday 2 of those carries belonged to the QB.
You can't win like that. We were in a close game for most of the day. We have all seen it for a while. Ricky is living it.
Dan Henning is being stubborn and it is killing this offense.

 

Talk about stunting a QB's development by taking away a key aspect of his learning process. How is he supposed to become a top 10 QB if he isn't allowed to change plays, make mistakes, learn from those mistakes, and improve upon them. How can he be a chess master out there if he doesn't get any practice at it?!

I guess Henning's calls are always dead on accurate for what the defense is about to run. We should be doing better if he's got a crystal ball. :glare:

 

Next three posters just plow on like ain't nothing going on. Amazing.

 

Yep, Henne is yelling "kill, kill" all the time. He's got 2 plays called and changes to whichever one he feels will work.

 

Chad Henne shouldn't be throwing the ball 35 times a game bottom line. It hasn't worked. Especially in close games.
You have to take some heat off the young QB.
The one trick pony act is redundant.

 

I'll trade our OC for your OC. Deal?

 

Deal.

 

This is only really confirming what we already SEE in games.

I mean really, how many times have you seen an audible where the set they're in changes? Or even better. How many times have you see him calling out signal changes at the line?

They obviously do not have total trust in Henne. Wether that's good or bad is what we don't completely know yet...

 

You seriously would do that? Schotty pretends to be a touch guy but he's nothing but a little *****.

 

I say bring back the Marlins dirt infield and let them draw the plays up in the ****ing dirt. Can you seriously tell me it could be any worse than the last 2 games?

 

Listened to the segment in question (normally I listen in on Tuesdays) and what Ricky W was speaking about is how difficult it is to stay smart tough and disciplined week in and week out and to not grow complacent.

 

Way to "plow on like aint nothin goin on." :lol:

 

Your OC would kick our OC's butt in a death match. :yes:

 

Well he is like 20 yrs younger, I'd expect him to be a bit more agile, quick, and strong.

 

I don't how the rest of you feel but why did we bring in Brandon Marshall if we are afraid to use him? I would rather let Henne call his own plays and open it up like Rivers does with the Chargers. Send out four or five receivers and a Tight End and hit the open man. What we have is not only boring to watch but opposing defenses don't have to worry about too much since everything is so predictable.

 

Its like the poseurs with their bikes & cars that only do shows. It made everyone come to watch and dream what it would be like to open the throttle on that *****.

 

We'll have to give Henning a bat then..... maybe some broken-glass coated gloves. :shifty:

 

B/c we'd have to substitute 2 experienced players for 2 rookie FA receivers.

Marshall, Bess, Ginn, Hartline, and Cammy are completely different than Marshall, Bess, Hart, Wallace, and Moore.

 

I posted this 11/5 in a different thread talking about this exact problem.

You know I see a lot of Peyton Manning votes on here.....No way can you argue that the guy puts the ball on the money a high percentage of the time. What I do want to point out about Peyton though is the freedom he has that not many other QB's have.
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Living here in Indy and being forced to watch the colts every week you see some big big differences between the Peyton and Henne.

The biggest weapon Peyton has isn't his accuracy and arm, its not his recievers or O-line. His weapon is walking up to the line of scrimmage EARLY, looking at what the defense is doing, and having the freedom to call his own play if he see's something he likes.

Now I understand that this if Henne's first year starting and by no means do I or should anybody expect him to be able to do this right out of the gate. But, if we are going to see any kind of improvement in Henne, I think this is it. If we can let this guy go up and call a running play when the saftey way back to double Marshall or call that bomb when they are stacking the box.

Now I know they have audibles, dont get me wrong, but its not quite the same thing. Your audible might be for a play to reciever X when reciever Y is the one being covered by the slow LB.

I think this ability and this freedom from your O.C. is exactly what it really takes in this day and age to be "elite" This is what I want to see Henne be able to do, and be let to do.

 

I have been saying this. re-read my posts. Tony doesn't get creative and gets out coached. He is an offensive line coach at heart. Smart, tough, Disciplined....right. Isn't that their mentality?

Henning is creative for a few plays or two maybe, but Lacks creating an identity for the offense and has Henne playing scared. Henning is known for ......offensive inconsistency.... is known for this. Note: See Buffalo fan and the demise of Marv Levy.


Offensive co-ordinator; he gets quite a few props for a few great plays that are well designed, but cannot establish a rhythm. The "lack of or inability to" get the running backs involved in the game is a glaring problem, especially in the passing game. It is hard to get a feel for where this team is offensively, because there just isn't any rhythm. To me, it all starts with the ability to get the RB's involved in the game. First drive is the perfect example.


Previously:
I will say that the offense is missing an identity IMO. Are you a smash mouth offense? Thats what I think Miami has to do to be successful. Granted, the offensive line is going through a transition, but establish an identity and make people stop you. When you establish the run, it opens up the passing game and makes play action that much more dangerous. Henne likes being under center too, which makes this make more sense.

Who is the running back and who relieves him? I think Miami is purposely "sparing" Ronnie Brown. There is something to this. When I see Ronnie Brown run, he is running hard and with authority. He needs 80% of the carries to be more effective. 20-24 touches a game isn't unreasonable. If they are afraid of him getting hurt, then its time to look elsewhere for a RB. Ronnie Brown is a back that needs carries. Yes, he is a patient runner, which is mistaken for dancing around. He will get the heavier load IMO as the season progresses.


I don't know that its the OC thats the problem either! I think Tony gets pretty excited with FG's, so who is to say that he doesn't demand playing not to lose vs. going for the win in the Red Zone. It also affects how Nolan calls the defensive schemes, trust me. He could be more aggressive, but with a Offense that isn't scoring, he cant be.

 

Yup. One's a run, one's a pass.

 

I wonder though what the alternate playcall is though? Is it a set play for each formation they're in? I.E if its out of the shotgun, is a killed pass always going to result in X run situation?

I would hope, and give Henning the benefit of the doubt that it's original every play, or at least every game. But it's an interesting thing that I'm sure isn't easy to analyze.

I think we'd all like to see Henne develop into someone who can audible at the line, and learn to master the opposing defenses. But honestly for anyone to think he's ready for that in his 3rd year is just expecting a lot. He's still got too many other things he needs to work on (reading defenses being one of them) before he's able to put the big boy pants on.

 

One is delayed handoff 3rd and long..... the other is playaction pass on same 3rd and long. :lol:

 

I knew it!

 

Shhhhh...... dont tell anyone. I'd hate to ruin its effectiveness. :shifty:

 

And we wonder why our offense sucks!?!? Rage mode activated!!!!!!

 

You're absolutely right, but there are a bunch of people in this thread reacting like this is really astounding and amazing that there's no ability to change a play and it's not true.

It's just people don't like that the offense isn't scoring points, and are willing to blame anything regardless of truth or reason.

 

I don't give a ****.. I want Dan Henning and Sparano fired. They are complete and utter ******s.

How can you be happy with field goals? How can your offense be more predictable than Cam Camerons? ITS A JOKE!

Fire them both please and actually bring in some coaches that will motivate our players and win us ball games BY SCORING TOUCHDOWNS!

 

Cammy come on he cant even get on the field in minn

 

Sounds like Ricky thinks that TS has lost the team. Very interesting to say the least.

 

TOP 10 you cant be serious - dude is Henne t-baggin you:yes:

 

Really man you going there
last season you were in full on Pat White mode
We had these debates.... remember :wink2: