Im sorry but I think the man was a piece of scum for not going to the POLICE about child molestation possibilities. Good riddance.

 

He actually did inform Gary Schultz who was in charge of Penn State Police Dept. at the time.

If you're going to think of him as scum, do it for an actual reason, such as that he didn't follow up with the State College police or Schultz later on.

As to the good riddance part, I would bet JoePa in his lifetime will have done far more positive things for others than you ever will, even when accounting for his mistakes (not limited to this instance). So perhaps the next time someone you don't care for passes you hesitate before determining whether it's good or not that they are gone.


And I do think it's kind of funny (in a sad sort of way), had McQueary went straight to the police at State College (whether before or after going home) then JoePa never would've been in this position to begin with. Just shows the sort of domino effect that one event can lead to the next and so on.

 

He lost his will to live with all the stuff that happened.

 

Certainly possible. Skeet and I have been saying for years now that as soon as he stops coaching he'll pass within like 6 months (much like Bear Bryant).

 

R.I.P. Mr. Patarno

He was nothing less than a winner. The world lost a great man today!

 

Meh.

 

Sympathy for the devil? Sure, these types of child abuse cases often are just the tip of the iceberg. I certainly wouldn't want to falsely accuse Paterno, but I'm sorry, this story reeks. How Penn State doesn't lose it's football team is beyond me...

Penn State, too big too fail, yet not too big to impale. The sad thing is that a lot of people like Sandusky hold power due to implicating every good person in an organization. This being a huge military board, you probably know what I mean. Compassion is the best I can do for either.

 

So does cancer.

 

Indeed, even the most evil men in the world have their redeeming qualities. He was one of our most celebrated coaches, however, I believe his soul is greatly agitated, the type of agitation that leads it to reincarnate simply to escape horrific samskaras (Buddhism/all religions). If sodomy against children isn't a crime against intelligence, wake up, you'll get as many chances as you need.

There's a story of a devotee in my meditation group that saw Hitler. He said he saw a demon behind him using him like a puppet. Now they say that Paterno was a huge fan of the Masons in the area, even having been awarded the John Wannamaker Award by the respective Masonic lodge. Masonic lodges are known to be highly into Satanism. In fact, the reason they go after children is their energy. Apparently, they form a triangle around the abused/tortured/killed to absorb all their energy. Sandusky is probably just an out of control puppet/minion, exhibiting a sort of in your face cockiness (no pun intended, but noted) that is akin to people with power. They like to flaunt it, and if you want to go further down this rabbithole just check out Sandusky's lawyer's background.

 

Not to totally derail this thread, but I was a mason for years and nothing like this EVER happened. Masons do not "go after children", you must be 18.

 

Losing what you love, especially for as long as he did it, can take away your will to live. When he lost his team, he lost any motivation he had...even to carry on. RIP to a great coach and a great person - who made one very very big mistake.

 

I know a Mason in Tucson, named James, a very pleasant fellow. He said he was at the highest level, which he said was 3. That's against most credible research I've come up with; which is 33 (which rumor has it is just Luciferian worship- see sacred_texts.com). and the sensualists are implicated by them, and the good/well meaning people of the world.

He said that the pyramid blocks were moved with the mind...Hush, hush, y'know

 

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with those comments.
Any man who would turn the other way and sweep child rape under the rug is not a great man. Anyone who condones what Paterno did should be ashamed of themselves.

 

It's some sort of ideological omage to Hobo with a shotgun, I think...over the top and too soon.

 

That and leftovers from my research paper on occult symbolism in Pop culture for my religion class... That and a creepy 1st person account from a devotee of Self Realization Fellowship that actually claims to have seen a demonic apparition behind Hitler controlling his stream of consciousness while giving a speech in Germany. He also claims that he didn't start that way.

 

But the thing is, he DIDN'T turn his back.

 

Yes he did. He had knowledge of it he brought it up to his superiors and it got swept under the rug and he was content with that.

 

Essentially after his initial report he did. He didn't follow up. I know he is from a different era where telling your boss was enough, but this would be an exception IMO. Also, Sandusky still had full access to the facilities, and was seen in the pressbox when Paterno broke the record for most wins in October of this year. The university and the man did NOTHING to distance themselves from an accused child molester AFTER they knew about it.

 

So what he report it ONCE...wow lets give the man a humanitarian award! He didn't follow up he could have done more like call the independent State Police; not the guy in charge of the PSU there are too many conflict of interest contacting an in-house agency.

 

I don't believe that he knew it got swept under the rug, nor do I believe he'd be content if it were. Not sure if Joe knew or not, but Sandusky had been investigated prior by the police and no charges were brought against him.

I'm all for people criticizing JoePa for not checking up on it more or notifying anyone beyond his superiors, but there's no proof to what you claim (especially his feelings about the matter).

 

You keep telling yourself that so you can hold him up on the pedestal.

 

Masons are actually known to be very much God fearing men like ost other people. They most definitely do not believe in sataism.

Hence the reason he said he wished he had done more. He realized his mistake. Look, the guy was a football coach not a priest (insert joke). But 1 mistake, even if its a big one like this, doesnt offset the worlds of good Paterno did. Paterno donated almost half his salary back to PSU, he spurned head coaching offers from the Giants, Vikings, Steelers and The University of Michigan that would have been far more lucrative just to stay at PSU, and he was involved in many philanthropic causes to assist people who needed it (none of which included NAMBLA).

To be fair its a difficult situation to be in you think about it logically. Here you are one of the most revered figures in American sports history and the all time winningest college football coach. You've been at the same university for 61 years of your life as a coach, 65 including his time as a student. You've passed up more lucrative offers because you love where you are and what you have built at PSU. All of a sudden scandal hits and if not handled correctly your lifes work risks getting torn to shreds. So you go to your director of campus security and the school president and put the ball in their court because youre only a football coach, albeit it one with a lot of pull. The scandal involves one of your coaches who have known for over 25 years and was your defensive coordinator for 20. So you put the ball in someones court who should know what to do with it and how to handle things. They did nothing and not wanting to see your lifes work fall to ruin, so do you.

Its not an excuse. It doesnt make what Paterno did right or having done enough. But think about what it would be like going through those emotions. A lot of people would probably make wrong decisions under those circumstances.

In Pennsylvania, campus police have the same authority as uniformed cops. Its one of the few areas of the country where campus police carry guns. Therefore going off campus with it may not have had any more of an effect other then the fact that the case about the missing DA from PSU who was initially investigating Sandusky before disappearing may have been linked and reopened which I am sure is happening now anyway.

 

Tell that to the victims.

 

Put one in front of me, and I will.

 

Sad. :pity:

 

Yes, it's so sad to be able to say one truthful sentence to someone. :rolleyes:

 

I agree.
It is sad you think the truth is what Paterno did was fine.

 

:lol:

Yea, I think what he did was fine, that's exactly why I said people were being more than fair for criticizing him for not doing more. Yes, you're exactly right. Thank you for knowing how to read.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Well then are you being contradictory, just of the sake of argument?
Because either you believe what Paterno did was wrong or you don't. I can't figure out what side of the fence you're on.
Unless you're planted firmly on it.

 

no one is saying what he didnt do was fine. He should have done more. Paterno said this himself. But what youre saying is that 1 mistake > 61 years of doing the right thing.

 

I think it's wrong that he didn't do more after his initial report (including but not limited to: trying to make sure Sandusky wasn't allowed on campus/gameday, following up with Shultz/Spanier, following up with McQueary to see if Police came and talked to him, contacting 2nd mile to bring up the possible allegations, etc), but I don't think he was necessarily wrong with his initial thoughts on the matter (to report directly to his superiors).

 

IMO, a mistake like that does.
In my book, you lose the right to be called a great man when you sweep child rape under the rug. And no amount of debate or argument will change my mind.
Sorry, but that's how I feel. And I feel strongly about it. Don't know if you have kids, but when you do I think you will get it more.

 

We live in a world where people remember the negatives 100X longer than the positives. But, even if you say this was his only negative on a resume filled with great positives, it was a big friggin doozy of a negative. It comes down to nothing more than putting yourself in his shoes. If one of my direct reports was caught doing something so G-Damn disgusting to a child then they would be shown the door immediately and the police would be called. and in this case it sounds like it was multiple children - maybe you give JoePa the benefit of the doubt that he only knew of the one case, but that's enough IMO.

While I have sympathy for JoePa's wife to see her husband die like that, I'm not shedding one tear for him. no moreso than the millions of other people dying everyday that no one else knows.
Is JoePa evil - certainly not. but he deserved to be fired.

 

No that I agree with.
But ALOT of people (including you I thought) are trying to absolve Paterno of any wrongdoing because he went to campus police once. ONCE. Not good enough in my book.

 

If he swept child rape under the rug, he'd be facing charges just like Spanier and Schultz are.

 

Semantics, IMO.

 

Legally he is absolved of wrongdoing, absolutely. And I have no problem with Paterno going to campus police, because they have the exact same authority as any other Pennsylvania municipal police department.

He is certainly in the wrong for not doing more though. No one is perfect, and I doubt this was the 1st wrong thing Paterno has ever done, though it's likely the most egregious.

 

It's really not.

 

I think the real question: If he wasn't JoePa, already 84 years old and diagnosed with cancer, would he be facing the same charges like Spanier and Schultz? IMO, the answer is yes.