He was phenomenal last night indeed.

 

you picked his greatest game to watch......keep that in mind.:up:

 

He has shown that ability for a while. He is Mike Vick with more accuracy downfield, IMO. I think if we can't land Luck or Barkley.... RG3 is very tempting. However it is only November so that could change.

 

I am not knocking anything about the kid.....just pointing out, if this is your 1st time watching him, other film should be viewed and use is it for perspective. Perspective is not a bad thing, doesnt mean RG3 wont maximize these skills he showed last night, but its about consistency too. I really like what RG3 brings to the table....however, not sure he declares either.

 

There are reasons to be weary about RG3, no question. I am certainly not trying to say that he's a sure thing. He did have a major injury a year or two back (I think two years ago) and while he is draft eligible, I could see him staying in school to further his game.

I think RG3 is a consistent quarterback, but lacks the team that can get wins consistently. I mean a guy who has completed over 70% of his passes while maintaining a TD/INT ratio of over 6 is impressive no matter how you spin it. He is going up against some damn good competition too. I think his poorest game yet this season would be versus Oklahoma State and we know that they are a quality team.

There are flaws with every player (except with Andrew Luck lol) and don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone considers RG3 a sure thing. However the electricity he would bring to Miami - the excitement - the sleep he would force defense coordinators to lose. If Miami wins a couple more games and falls out of the Luck/Barkley race.... I don't see how RG3 isn't a legitimate possibility with our first round pick.

Could you imagine if the Eagles fired Andy Reid? Then we turn around and hire Reid while drafting RG3? Think about it.

 

I still currently rank the top 3 in this order....Luck, Weeden, Tannehill before I get to Barkley, Jones, or RG3.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to put Griffin above Luck. I still think that Luck will eventually prove to be the top QB coming out of the 2012 draft. He has been hurt this season by the lack of a deep threat at the wide receiver position. In fact Luck really doesn't have a receiver on his team that compares to the top receivers on the teams of the other top rated QB's.

I will admit that I watched Griffin last night and I came away very impressed. He is the QB I would like to see in a Dolphins uniform next season if the Dolphins can't draft Luck. In fact if I was the GM of the Colts, I just might be willing to trade the first pick in the draft for a bundle of draft picks. I would draft Griffin and let him learn the NFL game behind Manning for a year or two. I think with what the Colts could get by trading the first pick in the draft and also drafting Griffin as their QB of the future. The Colts will be right back at the top of the AFC for years to come.

I was also impressed by the QB play of Matt Barkley last night. He seems to have very good awareness in the pocket and he certainly has an NFL arm. If Luck and Griffin are already off the board when the Dolphins select and Barkley and Jones are still available, I would hope the Dolphins would opt to draft Barkley. Jones has a strong arm and is very accurate but he seems to panic when the defense applies pressure.

Right now, any of these QB's would be a definite upgrade at the QB position for the Dolphins. I just hope at least one of them is still on the board when it is the Dolphins selection in the 2012 draft.

 

What existing NFL QBs have "big time" NFL arms? Where would you place Luck in comparison to the QBs you feel have big time NFL arms?

 

Rodgers is athletic. Why can't he be Rodgers with similar accuracy?

Spoiler

lol

 

While you are certainly entitled to you opinion. Most mock drafts currently have Weeden going anywhere from the third to fifth round. His age is working against him and a lot of the pro scouts see him as another Chris Weinke. He also is helped by the fact he has the best receiver in college on his team in Blackmon. So while you may have him rated as your number two QB in the draft. Most scouts and those who are responsible for selecting players in the draft don't seem to agree with you. According to most reports, Tannehill will probably be a second or third round selection. All the other QB's you listed are all expected to be selected in the first round.

Of course you may be right and all the experts may be wrong. So if the Dolphins don't get one of the top rated QB's in the first round. Tannehill and Weeden should still be available later in the draft. Personally I would rather the Dolphins take a flyer on Weedon in the fourth round if he is still available. I don't expect him to be much in the NFL, but I don't want the Dolphins wasting a second or third round pick on Tannehill.
I don't see Tannehill ever being more than a backup QB in the NFL. I also don't see Tannehill or Weeden as the long term answer for the Dolphins at the QB position.

 

Do you want my actual answer or the stereotype answer? :lol:

 

The thing is, after Luck... I can understand any rankings of those five guys. This class is good, damn good.

I am very excited for the offseason (not in a hurry though, I love watching football!) because it's going to be fun to follow.

 

I just feel that Luck has all the intangibles needed to be a top tier QB in the NFL. He has pocket awareness and he is able to use his feet to escape the pressure. While he may not have the strongest arm, he can make all the throws needed at the next level. He is said to have the best touch of any of the QB's entering the draft this season. He is also extremely intelligent as well as having football smarts.

Of course there is always a chance that me and most of the experts who have rated him an 8 out of a possible 8 at the QB position, are all wrong about Luck. I appreciate that you have a different opinion regarding Luck as a future NFL QB. While I may disagree with your opinion. Since Luck will be in the NFL in the coming years, we will have plenty of chances to determine who is correct in regards to how effective Luck will be at the NFL level.

 

I think that point (about the rankings for the other five) is spot on (actually I think all the points in your post were spot on). I even expect that there will be a very small minority that will put a few above Luck. Those will be based on very very limited analysis where they focus on one trait like arm strength or running ability so I don't agree, but that opinion will be out there.

 

I totally agree, but that was my point about calling it the Luck/Barkley race.....its really after Luck....simply put a great race (with any of those 5 being potentially viewed as next in line) and we get to see who is liked and how it shakes out. I love all 5 as well and each brings something to the table.

We all have our FAVORITE ranking. A lot will be determined based on who declares and who doesnt.

 

It doesn't appear you have watched him much based on this statement. TCU, Stephen F. Austin, Rice, K-State...

 

Ummm, no, I have watched him plenty...that statement was in reference to ONLY watching this game....and for some reason my statement is being taken as a knock on RG3..which it isnt.....its a perspective.

I like RG3 plenty...however, if that was the first time and only time you had watched him of course you would come away impressed.

 

Actual in spoiler. Stereotype in the post.

 

good to see some folks comin around on RG3..Didn't see the game, but I felt his skillset has been completely overlooked...Ive said here before, kid deserves respect..Would be excited to see him here..

Can anyone recap his performance? what stood out for most?..I really like his vision on the field, and after really looking at his body where there was some concerns, I'am not, he's wiry strong man.

 

My favorite quality in Robert Griffin is his deep ball. His touch and accuracy are amazing.

 

Forgive me if this has been stated but everyone should keep in mind that amongst all the underclass QBs that are being talked about consistently as if they've already declared for the 2012 Draft, Robert Griffin, III is the most likely to return to school.

Griffin has all these things he wants to do. He wants to get a law degree. He wants to possibly train for the Olympics (he was a world class 400m hurdles guy). I don't get the sense that he's ready to focus on football and only football, the way the NFL would try and force him to do.

And the other thing is he made some big changes to his mechanics during the summer, and it shows. He's still choppy. When he submits his tape to the scouts I fully expect them to suggest that he stays in school another year to work on them and be a cleaner player, and I doubt they'll value him at a high 1st round pick or even a 1st round pick period.

So he'll have all these things pushing him to go back to school...and that's what I ultimately think he'll do.

A while ago, maybe a month ago, someone asked me to place some odds on whether guys like Luck, Barkley, Jones and Griffin declare or not. I put Luck at 99% odds to come out. I forget if I assigned Jones any odds but I'd have put them at about 80%. I put Matt Barkley at about 50% to come out, and I put Griffin at 30%.

I believe the difference today and a month ago is that Matt Barkley is having the second half of the season that he envisioned when he once said that he wants his decision on whether to stay or go to be "easy"...and so I'd put his odds of coming out much higher after that Oregon win, maybe more like 70-80%.

 

If the QB class breaks down and you have say Barkley going back to win a national championship and Griffin staying in who are your late round guys for developmental prospects. Still high on Ryan Lindley with a fifth rounder?

 

I'd be happy to land RGIII...However, if we pass up Luck, Barkley or Jones for him I'll kill somebody...


Seriously


:chuckle:

 

I agree with all those except Jones, I think he's a better potential NFL QB than Landry.

 

I think Landry and Jones have exactly the same potential. :)

 

Do you have a link? You have no proof otherwise.

 

Ryan Lindley is more like a 3rd rounder, to me. I think he has tremendous potential if you are able to coach him well and get some of his mechanics cleaned up. He will be more accurate and a better passer. His story is a lot like Jake Locker's, but unlike Locker he will go in the 3rd round or so, and I like him better than Locker. I think Nick Foles is a worthy project as well.

 

Ah so the accuracy is mechanical and player oriented. Interesting I could see it. I still see him sliding quite a bit in the draft but he's the type of tough, big armed, fairly mobile project you want to have. I love that he plays in a pro style offense, it's a rarity in college now but it pays off big.

 

Thats because they..are..the same...person.....:wink2:

 

I like RG3. He seems like a slightly smaller Aaron Rodgers to me. Throws a nice ball on the run, solid accuracy, and I like his command of his team. I'd take Luck and Barkley over him but that's no knock on him. I think he's got the chance to be an electric player that Luck and Barkley can't be. He's more Rodgers to me than the big two.

 

Then Jones cannot have better potential than Landry. ;)

 

My concerns with Griffin center mainly about the things that are somewhat out of his control, like his height. Baylor lists him at 6'2 and I guarantee that's at least a 2 inch boost. If I had to guess I'd put him at 5'11, maybe even 5'10.

Now, some will point out that Vick is 6'0 (just barely) and he's doing just fine. Keep in mind that he really didn't develop as a passer until getting into the Eagles system, which is known to be very QB friendly. And my understanding is that Reid has tailored things for Vick so that he doesn't have to make a ton of reads to make plays.

If Griffin comes in undersized (which I believe he will) then you have to think that will affect his draft status. While a dynamic player, he's not at the same level that Vick was coming out (or even Cam Newton, for that matter). It could knock him down on draft boards, maybe out of the first round completely.

As pure speculation, if I'm RGIII and I know I'm not 6'2, I seriously consider going back to school and continue to hone my somewhat inconsistent mechanics. The thought being that I can show scouts I'm a true dual threat running and passing, and an additional year of film demonstrating that dual-threat ability would be enough to overcome any possible deficiencies in height.

That said, whichever team does take RGIII, either this year or next year, would be well served to look at what Philly is doing with Vick (and with Young) as it's obviously working and allowing them to have success. Well, the QB to have success anyway. The rest of the team is kind of a mess.

 

Why not think of him as Drew Brees + athleticism?

 

That's not really a valid comparison IMO. Brees came from a pro-style offense where he set tons of passing records at Purdue. Griffin is a highlight reel player whose passing skills remain a work in progress. Aside from their height there's nothing similar about them.

Though I should point out that Brees was a second rounder as well.

 

I was referring to RG3 as "he". I am sorry I apparently threw you off by calling Landry Jones by his last name and then by his first in the same sentence, :up: