That would not surprise me at all. Even as a Democrat, I'll say that LBJ was no good scum. Gulf of Tonkin and USS Liberty. 'nuff said. To include the conspiracy to murder a fine man like JFK at his feet would just fit. I know one thing for a fact. To believe LHO acted alone requires one to have their head buried in the sand or be in serious denial. Hell, the Zapruder tape alone proves the kill shot could not have been fired from the book depository.

 

That has been debunked, many times. The "kill" shot absolutely came from the book depository.

 

I've never seen it seriously debunked. Every shred of evidence I've seen is basically the opposite. You COULD be right, but I'd like to see where its been legitimately debunked.

 

Bull Sh!t

 

I have yet to really look into all the JFK stuff. I've been meaning to for quite some time.

 

http://www.livescience.com/41195-jfk-assassination-show.html

It was debunked. Most of these conspiracy theories are complete and utter bull****.

 

Sometimes people don;t want to believe that an iconic person such as JFK can be killed be somebody so insignificant like LHO. well..he was.

http://www.livescience.com/41195-jfk-assassination-show.html

 

The exit wound, the bigger wound, is on the back of his head, at least in the photos I saw. Just because some ballistic experts say it is wrong, does not make it definitely true in this case that it's wrong. The head recoiling backwards upon impact is at least as likely to be from a kill shot coming from the front.

If there is no conspiracy why were the probe files still sealed 5 decades later? What is there to hide?

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/11/kennedy_probe_files_still_seal.html

http://lubbockonline.com/editorials...ination-records-are-still-closed#.UvGpVPldUSY

 

If LBJ was that nefarious why would he go to all that trouble and then not even attempt to get reelected?

 

Spot on in all counts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :up:

 

The shot has been duplicated a billion times, and I CAN MAKE that shot..and I am not a trained Marine. it really isn't that difficult. BTW, JFK's head is not 5" in diameter. The car was hardly moving as well.

Again..it's not much of a shot. If anybody here has taken deer at more than 75 yards and hit the sweet spot, then you too have made a BETTER shot than this.

 

1. A billion times? Hyperbole much?
2. Maybe possible. Most likely not with that piece of junk Carcano and it's antiquated scope.
3. The shot was 88 yards that LHO supposedly made that somehow hit JFK in the front of the head and exited from the back.

I know it's hard to accept that anyone in our govt could have committed such an evil deed as conspire to kill the president, and if it helps you sleep better at night, then by all means continue to believe LHO was just some nut who acted all alone.

 

A) Yes. DUplicated MANY times, so a "Billion" is not that Hyperbolic".
B) There was nothing wrong with that rifle. Another myth perpetuated by the conspiracy crowd.
C) The bullet did not enter through the front and exit through the back.

I used to buy into these conspiracy theories. I then learned about the evidence and the many "conspiracy" books.

 

How much experience do you have with a 6.5 Carano? I own one. They're junk.
The Zapruder Tape proves to me that he was hit in the front. Feel free to believe the Warren Commission. I've seen enough kill shots to know better than to believe their lie. The hole in the back of the head was bigger anyway, indicating exit, even if the tape did not show it.
Also interesting that LHO was alleged to have fired 3 shots, yet on the tape with the dictabelt recording of Dallas Police Channel 1 superimposed, 4 shots can be heard, the final two very close together. Though that is secondary to me. The reaction to the impact indicates being hit from the front.

http://youtu.be/623JsZCgjm8

 

That dictabelt "evidence" of 4 shots was ALSO discredited. As was the reaction of JFK's head to the kill shot (many times)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictabelt_evidence_relating_to_the_assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

As for the Carcano...it is a rifle. Most rifles have the same principles and I have shot very old and terrible Remington .308 that were damaged, and even damaged, you can adjust with a little practice to fire very accurately at 75 yards.

This particular model had M91 rifling which makes it REMARKABLY ACCURATE. Again...the conspiracy nuts have spread so much bull****, that the FACTS get buried.

 

Oh..and the evidence shows that JFK's head moves FORWARD at Impact. Not back.

it is his BODY that is slumping after the mortal wound that is moving back. But at the POINT OF IMPACT....HIS HEAD MOVES FORWARD:

FORWARD AT IMPACT:

 

Of course..most conspiracy nuts believe that the CIA killed Kennedy because he was going to "splinter" the CIA...

Truth is that he made those statements at a time of great frustration with the intelligence community. The TRUTH is that Kennedy relied on the CIA greatly after he made those comments, and most famously used them to fight a secret war in LAOS.

This is a pretty good paper on the subject:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jfk_cia.htm

 

No weapon is any more accurate than it's sites.

 

There will be discussion 'till the end of time about this.
And I don't think we'll ever know what happened for sure.

 

making a gif from one frame of film does not show enough to know for sure either way. The Secret Service agent who climbed into the limo over the trunk, seen in some footage, cannot recall his name, said the exit wound, based on his close examination right at that time, was on the back of the head. The exit wound being bigger than the entry wound.

 

Tell me sir, are you personally confident in the capability of that 6.5 Carcano with that scope in making 3 such hits when being fired in such quick succession?

IMO, possible yes, but probable, no damned way. I wonder if even Carlos Hathcock could do it.

 

My point was with the shooter being a constant. One cannot say the M91 was remarkably accurate simply because of it's rifling. The sighting system is going to be the bigger determining factor in the accuracy of any weapon as opposed to the rifling in the hands of the same shooter. Jeff Cooper used to say the way to improve the accuracy of a military 1911 was to add high profile fixed sites, upgrade the trigger, and install a solid bushing, rather than a collet bushing. No mention at all of changing the barrel.

That is an excellent point.

 

I have stood at the window from which Oswald fired. Anyone can; the old Dallas School Book Depository is now a museum. The shot is not that far; 85 yards, With the car moving very slowly after just having turned the corner, and moving directly away from Oswald and not across his line of fire. He was shooting down from a Fifth floor window, which minimizes bullet drop. A good shooter can do it; it doesn't take a Marine expert rifleman or a sniper.

 

I'm game. let's do it.

 

that is also true.

 

[video=youtube;WovyEqfR8Hg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WovyEqfR8Hg[/video]

The above tests show plenty...

BTW..Jesse Ventura does the same thing ...but he fumbles around like an idiot and used a completely locked up and dry rifle in order to prove "a conspiracy". it was rather disgraceful really.

 

I like the cut of your jib on this JFK thing. :up:

 

oh jeez. You are not serious with this.

YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

 

That works both ways. You want to believe that your govt is something you can trust to be honest and forthright with you all the time. That they would never stoop to something so dastardly.

 

You picked the wrong guy to accuse of "trusting" his government.

I also believed in all the conspiracy theories till I found out that most of the conspiracy theorists where flat out lying about their evidence. Further research led me to my conclusions.

The only conspiracy theory that holds water is that the Mob killed him through LHO. There is enough evidence to suggest that the Mob was interested in finding as many nuts as possible to make an attempt on JFK.

But the government? Nah..JFK was as much a part of the establishment as any. He loved covert ops, and was preparing to escalate in SE Asia. JFK was a vehement anti-communist with plenty of backing by the most powerful old-heads in Washington and the military.

 

The premise of the thread, with LBJ being behind it, would be govt. Most govt accusations focus on CIA being involved, and there were reasons for the CIA to be down on him. Also, there were reports that he planned to pull the plug on Vietnam which didn't sit well with the military industrial complex.

Also, when one says govt, it can refer to the Warren Commission, and whether they covered up anything.

 

No reason for any of them to conspire to kill JFK, when he was essentially ONE OF THEM. People romanticize JFK since he is dead, but he WAS the Establishment. The only evidence we have is that JFK was the Military Industrial Complex's BIGGEST ALLY.

JFK got us out of a recession with deficit spending, mostly on Defense.
His Defense spending OUTPACED REAGANS! His defense spending increases, if done today, would amount to 3.5 trillion per year, which is Double the expenditure on defense today.

So yeah..he was a darling of the M.I.C.

 

There was a mild recession in 1960-61, but it ended within a month of JFK's inauguration. No time for any of his policies to effect it. The next recession wasn't until 1969.

Since JFK let it be known a few months before he was killed that he was not going to escalate the situation in Vietnam, I do not agree with your opinion that there was any great amount of affection for him by the power brokers in the Pentagon.

He had stepped on a lot of toes with his policies so it's no surprise a lot of influential people could have wanted him taken out.