Ryan Tannehill like what he sees in Gase’s offense
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Ryan Tannehill and the Miami Dolphins will get their official look at Adam Gase’s direction when the team holds their first official off-season workouts on Monday. Tannehill already likes what he is seeing.
Wow. Cool.
“I’ve watched more Denver stuff so far,” Tannehill said, via the Miami Herald. “I’m sure I’ll get into a little more Chicago stuff. But I’ve watched more Denver stuff at this point, just seeing things they did well there with Peyton . I’m excited about what I see. I think the more I watch, the more excited I am about the things they did and the things we’re going to be doing.” – Tannehill said via the MiamiHerald.
It is good for him to watch Manning because that's the "type" of quarterback he is and should aspire to be. Meaning; he's a pocket passer who needs time. I know, obviously, that he's no where near as good as Manning at this point, but he's that type of pocket passer. That should be his highest aspiration or whatever.
For the past 4 years Tannehill has been up and down but he is at his best when he has proper protection in front of him. It’s a cliché’ but all quarterbacks play much better with better protection. For Tannehill however it’s completely an issue. Tannehill posts his best numbers, in 2014, when his offensive line was playing at it’s best and healthy. The Dolphins have a lot of money and hopes tied into Tannehill but 2016 is the pivotal season. His salary cap number jumps to almost $20 million in 2017 and the majority of his guarantees have already or will be paid by the time that season rolls around. If Adam Gase isn’t happy with Tannehill’s progress, it’s likely or at least possible that they move on. Five seasons is enough to gauge what a quarterback can lead a team towards. The Dolphins have a lot of money and hopes tied into Tannehill but 2016 is the pivotal season. His salary cap number jumps to almost $20 million in 2017 and the majority of his guarantees have already or will be paid by the time that season rolls around. If Adam Gase isn’t happy with Tannehill’s progress, it’s likely or at least possible that they move on. Five seasons is enough to gauge what a quarterback can lead a team towards. Tannehill has been sacked and hit more than any other quarterback since he arrived in 2012 and that is something that needs to stop. In 2015 Dolphins fans finally were able to see progression in Tannehill’s deep passes and that too must continue to evolve into something more consistent. Tannehill can make a lot of the throws necessary for an NFL quarterback but his pocket presence and decision making is still an issue and some of things can not be taught.
djphinfansubscriberI’m sure I’ll get into a little more Chicago stuff.
hmmm, I would think you have watched every rep of chicago tape.....twice..maybe its a missquote.
Ohio Fanaticsubscriber"djphinfan wrote:
hmmm, I would think you have watched every rep of chicago tape.....twice..maybe its a missquote.
not sure why you would think that DJ. 1) there's still time and 2) Gase's greatest success was in Denver, so why not focus on mastering that first?
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Alex13subscriberthis rule about the players not being allowed to learn the playbook or talk football with coaches until the offseason program starts is bull**** and needs to change quickly
Not trying to start a long drawn out argument but I haven't really chimed in on gase..
i love RT17 that's our QB and he desirves our support..
that at being said Peyton is light years ahead of rt17..
i also truly believe cutler cutler is a way better "passer" than rt17....
lettuce pray.....
Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling.
"djphinfan wrote:
hmmm, I would think you have watched every rep of chicago tape.....twice..maybe its a missquote.
Yeah I would say the Chicago stuff is more Gase's offense and the Denver stuff is more Manning's offense.
FinsterNew Member"Ohio Fanatic wrote:
not sure why you would think that DJ. 1) there's still time and 2) Gase's greatest success was in Denver, so why not focus on mastering that first?
The Denver offense was 80% Manning's offense he brought from Indy, the Bears offense last year didn't resemble that Bronco offense, QB17 and the others are studying the wrong tapes, unless as DJ suggests, it's a typo.
"Alex13 wrote:
this rule about the players not being allowed to learn the playbook or talk football with coaches until the offseason program starts is bull**** and needs to change quickly
Welcome to the wonderful world of unionized labor.
Besides, I'm sure its pretty easy to circumvent by hiring an "independent" coach who just happens to be real good friends with Gase.
djphinfansubscriber"Ohio Fanatic wrote:
not sure why you would think that DJ. 1) there's still time and 2) Gase's greatest success was in Denver, so why not focus on mastering that first?
he was the offensive coordinator with the bears, why would the bears script be any less..its not a big deal just struck me as weird..The work he did with cutler and how he called plays there seems like it would be the freshest most accurate data.
Fin Dforum_veteran"djphinfan wrote:
he was the offensive coordinator with the bears, why would the bears script be any less..its not a big deal just struck me as weird..The work he did with cutler and how he called plays there seems like it would be the freshest most accurate data.
Because Gase has claimed that you tailor the offense to the specific skill set of the QB you have. So neither offense should look like the one we end up running as Thill is not the same type of QB as Manning or Cutler.
Truth of the matter though, if Thill has come out and said he watched all the Bears offense and hadn't gotten around to watching the Broncos, many of the same people who are complaining now (not you though) would be upset that he didn't start with the better offense and he's just striving for mediocrity.
Hellionsubscriber"Finster wrote:
The Denver offense was 80% Manning's offense he brought from Indy, the Bears offense last year didn't resemble that Bronco offense, QB17 and the others are studying the wrong tapes, unless as DJ suggests, it's a typo.
I am positive that if fans can distinguish between what is Mannings "80%" offense and what was "20%" Gases then THill shouldn't have an issue doing so and study the said tape that applies to his future offense don't you think?
FinsterNew Member"Hellion wrote:
I am positive that if fans can distinguish between what is Manning "80%" offense and what was "20%" Gases then THill shouldn't have an issue doing so and study the said offense that applies to his future offense don't you think?
It's not a situation where 80% of the plays are Manning's and the other 20% Gase's, it is Manning's offense, Gase added some twist's to it, but all it was was tweaking Manning's offense, Chicago was Gase's offense, those would be the tapes to study.
resnorforum_veteranSo, let me get this straight: people are now criticizing Tannehill for, in their mind, watching the "wrong tape?" And people wonder why I say Tannehill has never gotten a fair shake from many posters.
TotoreMexicoforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
So, let me get this straight: people are now criticizing Tannehill for, in their mind, watching the "wrong tape?" And people wonder why I say Tannehill has never gotten a fair shake from many posters.
LOL! they want to be right about something sooooo bad.
djphinfansubscriber"resnor wrote:
So, let me get this straight: people are now criticizing Tannehill for, in their mind, watching the "wrong tape?" And people wonder why I say Tannehill has never gotten a fair shake from many posters.
no, were wondering why he hasnt watched chicagos tape..
Hellionsubscriber"Finster wrote:
It's not a situation where 80% of the plays are Manning's and the other 20% Gase's, it is Manning's offense, Gase added some twist's to it, but all it was was tweaking Manning's offense, Chicago was Gase's offense, those would be the tapes to study.
So the plays have been mixed and melted into each other where it's 80% Manning and 20% Gase adding his "twists" to the Manning plays and you are able to see this but Tannehill can't decipher this? Where is this going? Where did you get the percentages to determine this from?
Maybe it's RT watching the tape and seeing how Gase has (famously evidently) adjusted to the QB he is coaching and can take something away from his own strengths and weaknesses as to how Gase will work with him?
Maybe knowing that Gase will be coaching his offense to the team in the near future its not a priority for RT to study what he did with the Bears because he will soon learn that system anyways and it's more to see how Gase worked with Manning to get an idea of what to expect from Gase.
I think over analyzing every word that comes from these kids mouths is a bit much. I don't think its a bad thing to have RT watching tape of one of the greatest QBs to ever play during one of the greatest seasons of all time? Do you? Or would you rather have RT study Jay Cutler?
And I honestly don't think we are going to see the exact same offense in Miami as we did in Chicago. remember Gase molds the offense around the QB. As he did in Chicago.
FinsterNew Member"Hellion wrote:
So the plays have been mixed and melted into each other where it's 80% Manning and 20% Gase adding his "twists" to the Manning plays and you are able to see this but Tannehill can't decipher this? Where is this going? Where did you get the percentages to determine this from?
Maybe it's RT watching the tape and seeing how Gase has (famously evidently) adjusted to the QB he is coaching and can take something away from his own strengths and weaknesses as to how Gase will work with him?Maybe knowing that Gase will be coaching his offense to the team in the near future its not a priority for RT to study what he did with the Bears because he will soon learn that system anyways and it's more to see how Gase worked with Manning to get an idea of what to expect from Gase.
I think over analyzing every word that comes from these kids mouths is a bit much. I don't think its a bad thing to have RT watching tape of one of the greatest QBs to ever play during one of the greatest seasons of all time? Do you? Or would you rather have RT study Jay Cutler?
And I honestly don't think we are going to see the exact same offense in Miami as we did in Chicago. remember Gase molds the offense around the QB. As he did in Chicago.
I cannot see it, I'm just going by what Manning has said, it is Manning's offense, not Gase's, and in truth it's probably more than 80% Manning, from what Manning said it was some adjustments on some routes.
If you want to know what a Gase offense looks like, there is only one place to look, Chicago, regardless of whether he rewrites ever single offense based on the QB, which by the way, none of us knows for sure, because he only has 1 year to look at, which is last year in Chicago.
No one is overanalyzing anything, QB17 said he was trying to pick up on Gase's offense, but he's watching Manning's offense to do that, when he should be watching Chicago.
Btw, who do you think QB17 resembles more, Cutler or Manning? We will be running Chicago's offense, you can count on that.
resnorforum_veteran"djphinfan wrote:
no, were wondering why he hasnt watched chicagos tape..
Well, then you should re-read the quote. He said he's watched MORE Denver tape than Chicago, not that he's watched "No" Chicago tape.
eltos_lightfootforum_veteran"Finster wrote:
I cannot see it, I'm just going by what Manning has said, it is Manning's offense, not Gase's, and in truth it's probably more than 80% Manning, from what Manning said it was some adjustments on some routes.
If you want to know what a Gase offense looks like, there is only one place to look, Chicago, regardless of whether he rewrites ever single offense based on the QB, which by the way, none of us knows for sure, because he only has 1 year to look at, which is last year in Chicago.
No one is overanalyzing anything, QB17 said he was trying to pick up on Gase's offense, but he's watching Manning's offense to do that, when he should be watching Chicago.
Btw, who do you think QB17 resembles more, Cutler or Manning? We will be running Chicago's offense, you can count on that.
I disagree. I think they will be running Gase's Miami offense. If you think a pre-med guy who has historically been safe with the ball resembles Cutler more than Manning, I don't know what to tell you. Either way, Gase will customize it to fit what Tannehill does well.
jdang307subscriber"eltos_lightfoot wrote:
I disagree. I think they will be running Gase's Miami offense. If you think a pre-med guy who has historically been safe with the ball resembles Cutler more than Manning, I don't know what to tell you. Either way, Gase will customize it to fit what Tannehill does well.
What's that got to do with anything lol. At this point his career has resembled Cutler more than Peyton. Which is middle of the road QB vs an all time great. Are you suggesting otherwise?
HellionsubscriberSo because neither has had success so they are the same? I can find better ways to compare them than that. Big deal he said he was watching Denver tape. Maybe Gase told him not to bother with the Chicago tape. "Please Don't watch Cutler" could have been advices given. if anyone thinks the HC and QB actually follow the no contact rule it's just nieve at best. People actually think The Patirots are the only one bending rules? Lol. There is nothing wrong with RT studying the Broncos and Manning. The offense that we are going to see in Miami is going to differ from both. Gase has all but said it.
jdang307subscriber"Hellion wrote:
So because neither has had success so they are the same? I can find better ways to compare them than that. Big deal he said he was watching Denver tape. Maybe Gase told him not to bother with the Chicago tape. "Please Don't watch Cutler" could have been advices given. if anyone thinks the HC and QB actually follow the no contact rule it's just nieve at best. People actually think The Patirots are the only one bending rules? Lol. There is nothing wrong with RT studying the Broncos and Manning. The offense that we are going to see in Miami is going to differ from both. Gase has all but said it.
Who said the same? He said resembled more. Nobody on earth is going to say Tannehill at this point resembles Peyton Manning except they're tall white guys.
"jdang307 wrote:
What's that got to do with anything lol. At this point his career has resembled Cutler more than Peyton. Which is middle of the road QB vs an all time great. Are you suggesting otherwise?
If I had to pick Peyton or Cutler I'd go more with Peyton. RT17 works with the script he's been given, goes through his progressions, pulls the trigger when he sees what is supposed to be there etc. Cutler adlibs and tries to make something out of nothing.
His execution is more similar to Cutler but his style is more similar to Peyton.
cuchulainnsubscriber"Pauly wrote:
If I had to pick Peyton or Cutler I'd go more with Peyton. RT17 works with the script he's been given, goes through his progressions, pulls the trigger when he sees what is supposed to be there etc. Cutler adlibs and tries to make something out of nothing.
His execution is more similar to Cutler but his style is more similar to Peyton.
I think that's a very astute observation and I agree. He also needs to start holding other's accountable for their own poor play or lack of knowledge the way Peyton did as well instead of just relying on the position coaches to do so, and more publicly. He's often too much of a "good soldier".
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