Ryan Tannehill

"Hoops wrote:

That games a perfect example of how scoreboard dictates play calling.

and one QBs pocket passer warts showing up despite empty passing numbers.

Not exactly sure WHAT you're saying here but the Raven's all but abandoned the run when they were down 14-0 in the 2nd quarter. There was NO NEED to do so. There's still ALOT of football left, but the Ravens went into full blown panic mode..."gotta throw, gotta throw, gotta throw."

The truth of the matter is that Jackson himself, granted it was in "garbage time", still rushed for 143 yards. Could'a, should'a would'a...the Titans defense played beautifully, but had the Ravens' stuck to THEIR game plan, exercised some discipline and patience, could the game had a different outcome? Maybe...possibly, but when you abandon your game plan so early in the game, you've just doomed yourself. There were many plays during the game, on both sides in which Tennessee and Baltimore ripped of long runs. The difference is that Tennessee stayed true to their game plan and Baltimore didn't. One team dominated the game; one looked like a broken, desperate team.

Gotta love Tannehill. Here is the end of one of Henry's long runs. The ball comes out after he hits the ground, but the Ravens are playing like it is a fumble. Check out who jumps on the Raven's player. Ryan F*****g Tannehill. He is 70 yards down the field....

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Don't overlook Harbaugh with boneheaded moves either.

Going for it inside his 50 on 4th and 1 with the Titans up 7. Tannebomb immediately after they failed to convert.

Not using his timeouts (earlier) to end the half, as the clock ticked. Took away at least two more chances at the end zone.

Not kicking the field goal to make the score 14-9 after their first 2nd half possession. 4th down fail. Turned the game as the Titans scored a TD on the ensuing possession.

His in game management was very poor IMO.

He's saying that despite the big numbers that Jackson put up, he was exposed as a passer.

"resnor wrote:

He's saying that despite the big numbers that Jackson put up, he was exposed as a passer.

Anyone can be exposed as a passer on any given week. The guy threw for 35+ TD passes this season and had a record breaking season.

Most QBs go through difficulties in the playoffs when they are young. It's part of the process.

He has room for improvement. And will get even better.

Also, don't discount the Titans D. They came to play and were basically draped on the Ravens WR's all game.

Now I do chuckle at the comparison to Mahomes. I'd take Mahomes 1000 out of 1000 times over Jackson. They are not in the same league let alone stratosphere.

"resnor wrote:

He's saying that despite the big numbers that Jackson put up, he was exposed as a passer.

exactly. As a pure pocket passer and secondary progression qb he was exposed. But the ravens o is designed in the pass game to give him easy primary reads provided you can maintain the sticks and work off the run game. Run game being inside and off tackle and the qb outflank and crease you down the middle ability.

you take it away and force him to beat you from the pocket with reads and his arm and he gets exposed.

that entire gameplan was built around the pistol and what comes out of it run and pass game. And they didn’t have any plan b other than read option which we didn’t see mucb of cause the qb execution in anything else in terms of drop/read ask is completely sub par.

surprised there wasn’t much read option but that’s hard to pivot to when you are chasing the scoreboard.

a front runner gameplan with a front runner scoreboard qb skill set.

Tannehill and Aj Brown are both due a great game and I think it will come in the afc championship.. Tannehill gets over 250 yards passing in that game and Henry gets 130 rushing yards. Im not sure who wins, itll be tough if its against Houston.. and it will be tougher playing in Kansas City with that crowd noise and weather conditions.

There’s a lesson to learn here. The duel tbreat qb that can’t make consistent plays from the pocket as a passer is by and large fools gold.

so it’s probably smart we remember tbat cause if that qb with those running instincts in that offense can be exposed any pistol and zone read primary one (ahem Justin herbert) can too.

I haven't seen anyone call out Harbaugh. Going for it on 4th down at midfield? WTF? Also, at 14-6, you kick the FG. Finally, they abandoned the run way too early. Harbaugh screwed that game up.

I don’t think they abandoned the run as much as I do that Jackson’s post snap reads in the pistol run sets they were in told him to keep it.

But it was all out of pistol. If he was a pre snap qb hed have checked out of a lot of stuff at the los. But he’s not. So you start running plays into bad looks post snap.

and once the titans got them behind the sticks it got ugly.

somethings no ones accounting for is ryan checking into things at the los. Be it changing run side to the non strength of tbe front etc or situationally.

Tberes a reason I keep saying pre snap and progression read is the ideal qb.

and the time held true gold standard.

it doesn’t need to be propped up.

"Hoops wrote:

I don’t think they abandoned the run as much as I do that Jackson’s post snap reads in the run sets they were in told him to keep it.

But it was all out of pistol. If he was a pre snap qb hed have checked out of a lot of stuff at the los. But he’s not. So you start running plays into bad looks.

and once the titans got them behind the sticks it got ugly.

somethings no ones accounting for us run checking into things at the los. Be it changing run side to the non strength of tbe front etc or situationally.

They had 9 carries by RBs. That is not enough.

"FinFaninBuffalo wrote:

They had 9 carries by RBs. That is not enough.

Yeah but those pistol looks are post snap reads by the qb. So it’s like a variation of tbe zone read but in a pistol with pass sets built into it.

I agree they should have run inside more but keep in mind 2nd half it was 28 to 6 quick.

even when they were chasing it they were still in pistol. You can’t chase and stay in that unless the qb is a plus pocket passer. You have to come out but they didn’t cause he can’t play it true shotgun etc on a consistent basis and make consistent throws reads etc.

Must admitt I'm happy for Tannehill even though I bashed the fuck out of him on this site.He is a decent dude and the titans were the perfect fit for him.
But.in saying that his time was up here and I don't second guess the front offices decision to trade him

Jalen hurts would be another example for me and he’s not one half the run threat Jackson is. That guy won’t beat you consistently with reads/throws from the pocket. My advise don’t draft it to play qb.

exposed. Dcs will eat it up.

Hey how bout that td tannehill scored on the option? Lol that kid can do any ask in terms of style of o you want to dial up.

If it’s not gonna be pre snap and progression read and the only guy that I really think in this class gives you that is fromm and he’s an average tools guy across the board then I think for me it would have to be rpo and west coast. Keeping in mind that rpo effectiveness is largely sticks dependent. Especially when I have a plus accuracy and placement passer for the west coast ask.

ahem tua.

some would say spread and maybe but spread concepts are sprinkled into the nfl all over the place and not really imo that hard to implement into a qbs skill set.

accurate passer in everything else should make for an accurate spread passer ask. And it can also help hide arm limitation concepts wise.

"pumpdogs wrote:

Must admitt I'm happy for Tannehill even though I bashed the **** out of him on this site.He is a decent dude and the titans were the perfect fit for him.
But.in saying that his time was up here and I don't second guess the front offices decision to trade him

This. Sometimes you need a fresh start, hit the reset button.

Titans will have an eventful off-season trying to get deals for their core.

If you can’t be happy for Ryan and what he is doing then I think it is safe to say you have a clear agenda.

You want to blame someone? Blame Adam Gase for never giving him balance.

"FinFaninBuffalo wrote:

Gotta love Tannehill. Here is the end of one of Henry's long runs. The ball comes out after he hits the ground, but the Ravens are playing like it is a fumble. Check out who jumps on the Raven's player. Ryan F*****g Tannehill. He is 70 yards down the field....

I saw that and stared at the replay thinking, "Where the heck did he come from?" He must have ran the sidelines behind Henry because I couldn't see him at all on the tv film.

And now the pre snap and progression read qb that we dumped largely due to our own incompetence and some rotten medical luck one year later is one win away from playing for the super bowl trophy.

you couldnt write this script if you tried.

"texanphinatic wrote:

This. Sometimes you need a fresh start, hit the reset button.

Titans will have an eventful off-season trying to get deals for their core.

They got 45 mill in cap space and there will be some restructuring of contracts.. i think theyll get it done no problem

"Fin-O wrote:

If you can’t be happy for Ryan and what he is doing then I think it is safe to say you have a clear agenda.

You want to blame someone? Blame Adam Gase for never giving him balance.

Don't forget Phibo the clown. Ross made the error of extending him after a meaningless victory.

Tannehill also has landed in the perfect spot. What comes up doesn't always stay up. Teams will now pay more attention to him and his down field prowess. They'll adjust for him. This also assumes that Henry doesn't continue his dominance even with a stacked box. If he does, there is no reason why the Titans can't sustain their success.

Gase did give him balance in 2016 when he was basically forced to play Ajayi.. Miami was on a roll..

Come 2018 and Gase underutilized Drake. That dimwit didn't learn from his limited success in 16.