Yeah LaCanfora was the guy I heard say that yesterday. for Orton. At least that's debatable between us for Orton, 2nd or 3rd rounder.

A first + more for Kolb is insane. I heard one commentator on ESPN radio last Sunday morning stating that letting Kolb go would be the hugest mistake ever,
1) because he thought Kolb was that good
2) because he believed Vick will eventually revert back and slip up, and that even though he's "turned it around", he's one slip up from a lifetime suspension and the franchise needs Kolb there for when that happens.

personally, I believe Kolb can only work in an Andy Reid type of offense. If Arizona trades the farm for him, Kolb is going to look no better than Henne last season. flashes of good play surrounded by mediocrity.

 

I never bought the argument that Orton was going to be traded .Tebow is not ready to start and even if he were ready they need a veteran backup.

 

Well, Orton for a 2nd and Kolb for a 1st means Henne now has less competition i hope

 

Na, I'm not a huge Henne fan. I do want to see him compete with some quality competition but not for a 1st or 2nd round pick that, to me, brings in two Qb's of lesser talent or not worthy of the pick.

I can live with Henne one more season to see what he has learned but that's it.

 

I have always thought the same. When McDaniels took Tebow is wasn't for now, but for 2014 or so......Tebow is not ready to be an NFL starter and is at least 1 season away.

 

Nice ***,

 

If the Eagles get anything close to a top 32 pick for Kolb, Howie Roseman should die of alcohol poisoning a few hours after the celebratory party. That would be outright theft.

Orton for a 2nd round pick isn’t as bad, but it’s still highway robbery. Let the Vikings make that mistake.

 

If we gave up a first for Kolb I would get physically ill, thats such an obvious joke of a trade I cannot believe anyone would even consider it.

A 2nd for Orton, I wouldn't do it but its not anywhere near as bad a trade as a 1st for Kolb. I think Denver will keep Orton, I think thats why they didn't draft a Qb, although the 'suck for luck' scenario is interesting to consider.

 

I would not mind Orton but not for a 2nd. Maybe a conditional 3rd.

To me, I'd like Palmer over any Qb. I am a big fan of quality Qb that played in a Zampese offense and Palmer, to me, can adapt to any offense. However, I would not want him for the price they're asking either.

I'm guess I'm just tired of trading away high picks more than anything.

 

Just say no to going into next year's draft minus a 2nd round pick again....... say no letting this regime mortgage the future on a stop gap QB that isn't talented enough to take us to a SB.

A 2nd pick for Orton reeks of desperation.....

 

To throw another name out there.............The one that keeps sticking in my mind is Matt Flynn from GB. I read a few months ago that we had "talked" with GB about him. I am not sure what I think about this one, but I dont want to give up a 1 or 2 for Orton or Kolb. Not sure what GB would want for him though.

 

I want the Dolphins to bring someone in, but I'm leaning towards the FA route. I just watched this year's draft with not having enough picks to make some of the moves we wanted. I think the fact we had such few picks, in comparison to other teams (especially no 2nd), forced us into that draft for need, rather than BPA. I don't like that. Not saying I didn't like our draft because I did.

We've been drafting much, much better of late. I think those picks are all too important. I like Orton. I really like Orton, but I wonder what we could do with that second round pick (not only as a pick alone, but a package to move up next year).

I'd be completely content to sign some of the guys out there. I mean, heck, we still have Tyler Thigpen, and whether we like it or not, I think he will be a serious consideration for the QB competition.

 

The suck for Luck strategy is a loser's strategy .We have a pretty good defense and at worse we will be in the middle of the pack which will not get us Luck.

We do not have the ammunition to move up either.The Pats do and we may get what is leftover .

Even if we do go for the worst record in the NFL there is no guarantee that Luck will be the QB everyone thinks he will be.He may have a career ending injury in training camp.

This is a team game and you need to to have above average core players to win and that requires several years of good drafting and FA adquisions.

In addition there are a lot of jobs on the line and even though the fans may want to tank the season those coaches whose jobs are on the line will not .They need to show that they at least tried their best .

The QB position,while important is not as important as the quality and depth of the whole team and that includes coaching IMO.

Henne may just be good enough to be able to lead such a team .Lets hope he produces without sacrificing the future of the team by spending draft picks on other teams discards who are short term solutions at best.

 

I don't think that's the case. While armchair GMs may have the luxury of wanting to do that, Front Offices have to try and win games, mostly to make money. I couldn't see Elway going to Pat Bowlen and telling him that they're basically going to throw away next year. Any FO who would go out and actually try the "suck for Luck" strategy would most likely find themselves on the unemployment line.

I also don't see them trading off any more talent - Dumerville will be fine in Fox's defense, and McDaniels already traded off a bunch of the parts. Champ Bailey, on the other hand, is expensive and has lost a step. He's the most likely veteran to get moved IMO.

 

I agree, ya can't give up a 2nd straight across for Orton, but what I suggest is we offer is a 3rd that becomes a 2nd IF Orton takes half the offensive snaps and the team also makes the playoffs. That way, if Henne remains the starter, we only paid a 3rd for a high quality #2 QB and I don't think anyone reasonable can complain about that. If Orton did beat out Henne, and we make the playoffs, then IMO, we should gladly say that was worth a 2nd.

 

Another way to structure a conditional pick for Orton would be offer a 4th that becomes a 3rd, if he takes half or more of the offensive snaps or we make the playoffs, and becomes a 2nd if both conditions happen.

I can imagine someone here would say, "I don't want to make the playoffs, I want to win the Super Bowl." Or words to that effect. Well, we have to make the playoffs, duh, to go to the Super Bowl.

 

Well, it sure wouldn't be as bad as giving up a 2 for Feeley, he of the 5 starts, or CPep coming off a major knee injury. Funny thing is, I seem to recall most fans were thrilled when Nicky made the trade for CPep.

 

I'd be elated with this scenario! Elated! Both ways the Dolphins Qb situation instantly becomes better with quality depth.

 

I would imagine that is because you want to win right now. So do I but there is one thing to consider. With a very good running game, it is quite possible that Miami, with Henne, could become a very good team. Especially if the defense picks it up a notch.

So with no way to know for sure that Orton would be the instant starter, I would not offer a 2nd straight up. A conditional 3rd would be the absolute most I'd offer...

 

I don't recall the exact conditions but when we traded for Ricky, the 2nd pick was conditional. We did not give them 2 firsts straight up. Then Ricky has his career year in 2002 and the 2nd pick upgrades to a 1st. Conditional picks are the way to go.

Also, with Orton, the parameters of any trade would include him agreeing to a new long term, 4-5 year deal, preferably fairly incentive laden.

 

Nice idea, but Orton isn't coming here or anywhere else to "compete" for a job. If he comes he's the starter, end of story. Imagine Ireland or Sparano having to explain why they gave up draft pick(s) and are paying 9 million dollars for a back-up QB who couldn't beat out Mr. $550,000, Chad Henne. They might as well say "b/c we're idiots who need to be fired".

IMO that money would be better spent on DeAngelo Williams, or another FA who isn't a middle of the pack starter like Orton. Or we could use the dough to extend Soliai and Wake. Henne's in the last year of his deal as well. But paying big bucks for a guy who isn't even a clear upgrade over what we currently have is a bad idea IMO.

 

The world ends tonight I thought.

No way I do a straight up trade for that high of a pick. Not worth it im my eyes. He needs to earn it for his former team if they want it.

 

Thought about him as well. He's going to be more than they'll want to pay though IMO. I think he fits Daboll's O (if you go off Cleveland offense) and I think we'll see more 3-5 step drops with quick game and that works in his favor.

 

OK here it is! Orton imo, is a decent Qb. Something that Henne could very well be with a good running game! So I would not budge and make them either trade him elsewhere of lower the price to at the very least, conditional.

 

Terrible news for anyone hoping for a legitimate competition at quarterback for the Miami Dolphins.
Jason LaCanfora of the NFL Network, reports today that "people I've talked to" in Denver are telling him they can see a scenario where Orton is the Broncos' starting QB in 2011 -- ahem, whenever the season actually gets underway.
"Orton is valued by the Broncos," LaCanfora writes. "They know he can be a winning quarterback. He's smart and can absorb a system, and has some natural chemistry with receivers there like Brandon Lloyd. For a franchise that is dealing with significant fan unrest, and coming off a collapse of a season, and with a new regime in place, the Broncos need to win some games. Now.
"Without question, Orton gives them the best chance to do that"

Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...n-wont-be-available-either.html#ixzz1NUgP2o4I

I cant say I am surprised .
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I don't think we'd trade a 2nd or higher (looking almost like a 1st lately) for competition. If we made that trade, Orton would already be our starter, imo.

O well..

 

how'd you like Dumerville reunite with Nolan and play with wake.?