Simple question with only 2 answers. And before anyone says it, yes there should absolutely be a "Let's wait and see" option. But what fun would that be at this point? Everyone except the polar extremes would select that choice. So let's instead assume that we have to make a decision after each game of the season of simply "yes" or "no". I'll try to remember to post up this poll after every game to see where we all stand on the interim coach. It will be one of the most important decisions this team makes, so it's worth seeing what us fans think.
Should Interim Head Coach Dan Campbell be retained as permanent head coach in 2016?
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No
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This is a rediculous thread being the season is at the midway point but I'll answer. I don't see it happening unless he's allowed or wants to picks his own staff. Something tells me that he's biting his tongue when it comes to Lazor. Given the type of player Campbell was and the coaching tree he was born from, some of these players and the offensive system that is being used here is most likely not to his liking.
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I do think Dan can succeed as a head coach. He is more of a rah-rah type of HC which means that he has to have damn good coordinators to have long term success. This is possible (see Bill Cowher), but it's rare that it's sustainable. I'm not sure this administration can put together a staff to complement Dan Campbell, but I'm very hesitant to to go out and hire someone that can't motivate our players to the same extent as Dan. I would be interested in Hugh Jackson to see what he can do, but I'm very paranoid that going after any other coordinator will give us another Joe Philbin. And unlike others here, I'm not crazy about the idea of going after S Payton.
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Didnt vote because there needs to be a "need to see more" option. Love the passion and emotion that he brings to this football team. I don't think theres a guy on this football team that doesn't respect him, but he's handicapped with an offensive coordinator he didn't choose as well as players he didn't choose to fit the mold of how he would like this team to look. Everything considered hes doing a pretty good job under the circumstances 8-8 or anything better he needs to be viewed as a serious candidate, I think he would do an excellent job with an offseason to find his type of guys and coordinators that fit his mold.
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NOPE....waited this long to finally be in position to have synergy with a front office and coaching staff completely on the same page and that's what will happen when Tannenbaum hires a new coach and GM...he's done inheriting people, he's lucky as hell to be running a team for the 2nd time, no way he blows it on a 5 year TE's coach.
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It's going to be an interesting topic as the season goes on. At this point I'd say "yes." Based simply on the fact that he has a winning record at this point as interim coach. He was placed into an extremely difficult situation and to have a winning record, regardless of the teams beaten is an impressive feat.
That said, if I wanted to play devil's advocate, he made some extremely questionable decisions in the Buffalo game. We also continue to see some of the same issues we saw under Philbin's tenure under Campbell. Mediocre up and down play, questionable offensive play calling, poor offensive line play. Hopefully he learned from the Buffalo game. And hopefully the struggles are more a result of being hampered with Philbin's staff than an indictment of Campbell as a head coach.
Yes, it's way too early to tell as someone has already called me on even though I clearly stated in the OP that I think this is worthy to discuss after each game just to see where we are all at as the rest of the season progresses. -
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finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member
I voted yes because as of right now I would retain him. If the team falters down the stretch then no but the way he has us playing right now is enough to show me that we could be a playoff team with him as a coach. Now is he a guy that can take us all the way? I don't know but I do know that he is a much better coach than Philbin. It isn't easy to find a coach that can actually inspire and lead a group of men. People act like its easy to find guys like him that can lead men, it isn't. As of right now I would retain him.
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No, I don't think so.
I think he has potential, but he's not a viable head coach right now. I don't think he has the X's and O's or the game management skills, and I'm not sure he can appropriately identify the kind of coaches he can delegate to and get the results he needs.
If he plays he cards right, a couple years down the road he should be getting head coaching interviews. As it stands now, not so much.muskrat21, vt_dolfan, MonstBlitz and 1 other person like this. -
I would say yes. Tannenbaum did hire him, so he is his guy.
He can motivate players, and they are playing hard for him.
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Lol..I love how the OP spells out what the vote is about...assume you have to make a call..and still people go on their own tangent.
Guys..just follow da damn directions.
I voted yes cuz thats what he asked. If I had to answer right now..I would say yesMonstBlitz likes this. -
I am not sure at this point. I would like to say yes because I'd like to see what he can do if he had a full offseason and a full season to work with. Plus if he needed to choose coordinators or other coaches.
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There are some things I like about coach Campbell, but I vote no based on his game-management. At this point one of the worst I've seen at clock-management. Over the course of a season would likely hurt Miami's chances at winning a couple of games.
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I vote no, I've decided to never waver (because I did with Philbin and have learned my lesson :pity:) from my stance on the most important trait a coach can have...
A track record of exceeding expectations of the given team's talent level by adapting to his players' strengths.
Now Campbell may show that in the future, but at this specific point in time, he hasn't because the data set is too small.vt_dolfan and MonstBlitz like this. -
Why coaches who struggle in that area don't cover all aspects of clock-management in preparation and have a person right next to them or on headset to tell them whether to call timeout or not is beyond me. -
yes..you don't give up on a guy with this sort of potential because he has some rough patches to learn..you don't risk letting him go thinking you might get him back..
from what I look for in a new coach I say yes, and allow him to grow into the coach of the future, show patience, he's the youngest in the game at this point..He's the kind of coach this franchise, playing in this town, playing in that stadium need.vt_dolfan and MonstBlitz like this. -
I voted yes at this point. Not because I think he is a good coach right now. I think he has the necessary intangibles to be a great one. On top of that, the right mind set of competitive practices, etc. I think there will be some rough moments with him. But, unless there is absolutely trash rest of season, I think I am willing to ride it out with him.
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I'll say yes. The players love him and I feel they'll vouch for him. We would need to bring in some better assistants though.
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But, if you feel like Campbell has serious potential, do you let him get away? Or do you retain him and bring in some assistants to help mask some of those growing pains? -
The irony is, this isn't an issue with Campbell. It's an issue with being unable to adequately fill out his staff. -
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Haha, that's fine. I have no problem with that except I'd like to go beyond it for the sake of conversation.
I think right now there are 2-3 very appealing HC candidates who may be available. Each would bring a successful background, years of experience and a motivational attitude much like we see from Campbell.
The question is, do you like Campbell enough to pass up those other options and if so, where are your coordinators going to come from?
I like Campbell and I can live with watching Tannehiill to be quite honest but I just don't see where Miami is going to get coordinators that are qualified and will give them an edge. -
There are multiple facets to being a HC, and Campbell has put positive checks in only a few of those line items.
What has he done to instill in you confidence he can recognize a good staff? He retained Lazor, who most of us agree is crap, for example. -
Should he be retained as the Head Coach... probably not. Should he be retained on the coaching staff I think so.
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I'll say "No" as of right now. There are still some low-hanging fruit changes that *should* be made that haven't been in terms of personnel moves, as well as some schematic things that I think have gone overlooked. For instance personnel-wise: benching Dallas Thomas, playing Mosley and/or Phillips over Earl Mitchell, limiting Walt Aikens' snaps more, figuring out how to better utilize Jordan Cameron, etc. Schematic-wise: protecting Tannehill better, Bill Lazor's play-calling and play designs, figuring out how to stop the run consistently (though it has gotten better overall since Campbell got rid of Coyle, but it's still not where it should be).
I think Campbell's got potential, and *IF* Miami does keep him, I think you have to very seriously look at replacing Lazor and your defensive coordinator needs to have a LOT of experience. I just would rather go with Hue Jackson, especially if Miami continues to play up and down the rest of the way and continually struggle against playoff-caliber teams (a problem that plagued Philbin).Disgustipate and Fin D like this. -
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One thing to keep in mind is that Saunders is a confidant of Hue Jackson and Jackson spoke pretty glowingly about Jim Schwartz vis a vis the Bills vacancy this past offseason. Just saying. -
I don't like the idea of just trying to hire quality assistants. You need to be a good schematic guy to identify those guys- or at least an experienced coach. You're risking another Joe Philbin situation where you have a guy who lacked the experience just picking up the guys he has worked with in the past.
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Since I am limited to a yes or no response based on your criteria, at this time my answer is no. Yet check back with me in 7 weeks and I might have a different answer for you.
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My point is that if you really feel like Campbell has potential, and you don't want that potential to get away, then you can give him the job and have the front office, or even have consultants, put together a staff for him. Campbell can give his input as well.
I'm not saying it'll be easy, or that it'll work, but it's an option. Who knows, maybe there are guys out there who are impressed with Campbell that would love to work with him.dolphin25 likes this. -
the prospects you speak of, do you think they have the correct leadership and intangibles?, cause I sure as hell don't, I dont get that vibe from the usual suspects being talked about, Malzahn yes, Urban meyer yes..Hue jackson, sean payton?, Im not sure.
who are your prospects over Dan?
To me this is about identifying the foundation of a great coach..of course we have to see how he handles the rest of the season but the question was based on right now..from what i have seen going back to hard knocks, I would say he has that foundation, and I'm just not willing to give that up..roll the dice man..dolphin25 likes this. -
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shula_guy Well-Known Member
No, No, No, and hell No
I like the guy and I am rooting for him to succeed but the fact is that he has not shown anything special thats worth investing in.
yes he is handicapped with what he inherited but thats life you gotta play the cards your dealt. He has not played them well enough to be offered the job yet.
He let 3 safities in a row occur under his watch. that must be some obscure nfl record. The play calling that he oversees has been mediocre. Execution has been lacking. penalties from being undisciplined.
There is time for him to turn it all around and make these guys competitive but wait and see is not an option so no frigging way if I have to pick today and i like the guy.
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If the choice is Jackson, Payton, or Campbell, I'd rather stick with the up an coming Campbell all day every day.
Not many prospects that intrigue me this year. I'd rather let Campbell have his choice of GM/staff.
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Lots of good arguments on both sides of the coin I think. Unless this team goes on a huge slide or run, the debate is only likely to heat up as the season wears on.
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