http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...tubborn-nature-could-hamper-dolphins-progress
This Vic Carucci seems to be awfull negetive in his Dolphins articles. Hopefully Sparanos famous fist pumps will be becuase of TD's this season not field goals.
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This is what I've been saying all along; this guy is a meathead; he can't think past his own limited perspective.
Just look at the way he stubbornly backed the thoroughly decrepit Henning last season, to the detriment of his team and defiantly in the face of what was obvious to EVERYONE in the nation.
That he stubbornly backed his friend to the detriment of everyone around him who was depending on him to do what was right for the team, NOT JUST HIS ******* BUDDY, shows what a wrong guy he is for the job.Phins28, DolfanJake, and 1 other person like this. -
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The trick is to have a medium number of pass attempts with a high YPA.xphinfanx likes this. -
Desides I'm curious who do you want as the QB pick this season?
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2a. Blaine Gabbert
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This is the situation the Miami Dolphins are in.texanphinatic and smahtaz like this. -
I'd rather just see them play and see what they have to offer. Henne isn't suddenly going to be able to read a cover 2, nor is his accuracy going to become much better, nor can he evade the rush by side-stepping. His deep ball isn't even accurate. He's a limited player.
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You have absolutely no way of knowing which QBs will and will not perform well in 2011. No way whatsoever. You are simply dismissing the entire QB class out of hand. Like it or not, rookies at every position over the last few years have started and played well. That’s the growing trend in the NFL: rookies are thrown into the fire immediately. Several quarterbacks in this class will start week 1, and odds are they’ll play at least average.
And average is an improvement over Henne.Phins28, texanphinatic and CashInFist like this. -
Henne was a 63% guy despite leading the league in throwaways so it's not like he's some overly inaccurate guy. Can he improve on his deep ball placement, absolutely, but its not like his WRs EVER helped him out in that regard. Any time the throw wasnt perfect, it was an incomplete, so both the QB & WRs need to improve there.
Its easy to say "put the rook" in. And that's exactly why I don't want a 1st round QB. No matter who it is, they wont be ready. But that wont matter b/c every time Henne throws an INC pass the fans will be calling for the Rook to go in. Hell it's not even April and you're already calling to see the Rook. Despite watching it happen for much of last year, the lesson of how not to rush an underdeveloped QB into action before he's ready seems to be lost on you.MarinePhinFan, ToddsPhins, and 2 others like this. -
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If you have to start Henne you must completely change the personnel, the play calling, and the formations Miami runs. I doubt Sparano can fathom the 3 WR-TE-RB formation for long, but it's a perfect one for Henne. Give him an excellent offensive line, replace Bess with a flanker so that Marshall can play in the slot, and get a multipurpose RB with great hands to catch Henne's no touch short passes. Then we'll see if Henne can be a solid QB. I think he can but even then Miami could potentially do even better.
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Shrugging your shoulders at the QB position is not going to make this team better.schmolioot and Stringer Bell like this. -
I wouldn't necessarily assume that those top four QBs can play better than Henne. Ryan Mallet would have hated last year's offense although he could sell its play action far better than Henne ever could. Didn't Henne throw 6 ints or so on nonsense 3rd and long play action calls last season? He threw 13 INTs between the Dolphin 25-50? Those are some strange stats. We've gone over Henne's odd inability to pass the ball when the Dolphins were ahead also. When you're down within a TD you expect a high number of passes if you're the defense. Henne did well in those situations. Same with Henne the year before and Pennington the year before that. Much of Chad Henne's performances were butchered by the coaching staff, personnel, and especially the play calling as well as lack of running game, no doubt. I don't think you can truly give up on Henne without placing him in the best situation possible unless you really believe that Ponder and Mallett are worth starting day one. That doesn't mean you don't pick those two, but waiting a year to pick a QB from next year's class isn't the worst situation either if you don't think Ponder/Mallett are exceptional.
Either way Miami will still have a young quarterback next year it can improve on.ToddsPhins likes this. -
That is on Henning not Henne.MarinePhinFan likes this. -
I think many of mistake Henning's play-action on 3rd down as a result of poor football IQ. Yes, many of the times the PA's were completely pointless. BUT, the point of the Play Action last year was to help the O-Line. Henning knew his O-line couldn't protect Henne for 3-5 seconds as he takes a 5-7 step drop on 3rd and long. How do you fix this? You call a Play Action. The play action allows the wideouts to get to the top of their route while the QB is carrying out the PA. Thus, the QB isn't taking a drop back and isn't screwed over by the pressure. at the end of the PA fake, the wideouts are usually at the end of their route and the QB just has to turn around and fire away. Henne's best attribute is to take a 3-5-7 step drop, plant, and fire the ball. Well the drops weren't going to work with the terrible O-line we had (I dont give a **** what anyone or any stats rank our O-line in pass protection, they were bad). The next best thing is to carry out a PA and this speeds up the process while giving the QB more protection in a different way. -
On any well coached team Henne should have been able to throw for a better or at least close to the same efficiency while ahead versus being behind if not better. Go watch the Lions game and notice that in the second half the formations as well as Henne's play go completely south and the team places Henne in problem situation after problem situation. Now I'm not saying he's anything special, few are saying that anymore but there's no doubt they could have at least gotten a 85-90 QB rating out of the guy last year with a decent OL most of the season, a good but poorly fit together receiving corp, and no running game. Give him what Flacco had and the play calling of Cam Cameron and you're looking at a different situation.
Best option available? Draft a QB, let Henne start Drew Brees style, but improve the roster around him to reflect that of a team that actually has a plan on offense. Replace Bess with a speed WR like Jacoby Jones, sign DeAngelo Williams, use that late 1st-early 2nd from Bess on a guard, sign a receiving TE, draft a power back in the third and see what happens. Worst comes to worst you've already got a QB in training to replace Henne. -
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I am not defending Hennings play calling but you can not discount Henne's part in why we found ourselves in 3rd and long situtations. Henne did not play well. -
If Ponder’s health is up to its 2009 form (and I know that's a HUGE if), I think he’s already better than Henne and Stanzi may be as well. Sorry, I just can't grasp how anyone thinks Newton will ever be any better than Young. Young took over his championship game, Newton not so much. Gabbert, Mallett, Locker.
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Everyday I come on this board, more and more, I think guys WANT us to be the Cardinals or Panthers. They want to make the SAME mistakes that those teams made.
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QBs coming into the league lately have played immediately and played well. Even so-called "raw" or "unprepared" rooks. Just spitting out that no QB in this class will play until 10 years down the road isn't realistic. Unless your team already has a grade A quarterback (like Favre) on the roster, a highly drafted rookie isn't sitting long.
Sorry, you don't pick a kid in the first and pay him a buttload of cash to sit behind a mediocre QB like Chad Henne. Maybe in year 1 he won't be heads and shoulders above Henne, but as he gets a season or two under his belt he can start to flip the switch.
I personally think it is far more unrealistic to expect a team to sit a Newton, Gabbert, Mallet, Ponder, Ryan, Flacco, Freeman, Sanchez, Stafford or Bradford than it is to have them play year 1 or even game 1.
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Umm people should sometimes do a little research before they write....
2010 RUSHING (Plays) 445
2010 PASSING (Att) 557
2009 RUSHING (Plays) 509
2009 PASSING (Att.) 545
Maybe what he means by teams that pass more is by 200 or more attempts? :shifty: -
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I'd have much rather seen Henne keeping his eyes on the routes from the hike to the cuts or put him in the shotgun with a Rb next to him. -
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I agree with most of that column. Throwing the ball efficiently correlates much higher with winning than running the ball efficiently does. That's because even the best rushing teams are only going to gain 5 yards per carry, 3 yard being the median rush attempt. Even the worst passing team in the league gains more than 3-5 yards on average when they throw the ball. Its simple math that Sparano doesn't seem to grasp. He should want to pass the ball by nature.
And the gross number of rushing attempts vs. passing attempts doesn't really tell us much. A lot of that has to do with things unrelated to offensive philosophy, things like how efficient your entire offense is and even how good your defense is.
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