I agree with the article. Don't overspend on a reciever. the question is, with Wallace's and Bowe's mediocre season, will some team overpay for them (likely) or will their pricetags drop enough for Ireland to consider. Even though I really like Hartline, I'd rather overspend a little on Wallace and let Hartline walk then overspend on Hartline.

a really good offseason ends up with us having Wallace, Bess, Mathews as our 3 starting WRs and Keller and Fasano as our TEs.

 

I'm still insistent you draft Patton and Swopes.

 

Oh god. This is the problem for the fins. We should have a crap ton of cap room especially if we don't resign Long. This is the kind of crap that lost us out on Garcon and Wayne. I think they would have helped this team major this year.

 

Is this what the Mayans meant when they prophesied the world would end in December 2012?

 

If they don't atleast ATTEMPT to host some of those nicer FA WRs...and consider it heavily.... the phrase that comes to mind is "pants-on-head-******ed." You know you need more than one - thats pretty much obvious - One would think the ideal thing to do would be sign an FA you really like, and draft a fairly high one that catches your eye... that way the rest of your picks go to other needed holes, and cap space goes to resigning. We aren't a team that can draft back ups and depth with anything above late rounds, we need immediate impact players.....



Oh well.

 

This shouldn't really be a tremendous surprise. The quotes aren't new, and they pretty clearly pursued this path last offseason.

It's a good decision. Big money free agency is not a particularly good or safe investment. You're inherently overpaying, and there's a big failure rate. You're better off finding guys who are insurance for players you have, or low to mid-range guys who will potentially outperform their contracts.

I am a bit curious about the distinction they seem to be making between offense and defense, though. I think it does make sense, though. You're a little more dependent on chemistry, and I think it's easier to control and be sure that a defensive player you acquire is going to fit your scheme and what you want to do than an offensive player.

 

Davone Bess - UDFA
Patrick Turner - 3rd round
Brian Hartline - 4th round
Marlon Moore - UDFA
Roberto Wallace - UDFA
Clyde Gates - 4th round
B.J. Cunningham - 6th round
Rishard Matthews - 7th round

More like Jeff is average at it. I'd really hope they'd consider a break in (Philbin's) philosophy and get a Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings if the price is right.

 

So Ireland wants to build the team through Draft? Yeah fit that man for a straight jacket.....:rolleyes:

 

Its obvious WR hasn't been a major priority in the draft. Now I know that's going to make a lot of people start screaming, but up until this coming offseason, it shouldn't have been a priority.

Point being, we filled a lot of holes that were more important than WR, and this off season I think WR will be a priority in the draft.

 

Delusional somehow fits that statement.
I would agree that Irelands draft picks have been somewhat better than his FA pickups but that is not saying much.

 

Kill. Me. Now.

 

Duh. Didn't you know building through FA is the mark of a great franchise.

 

Ireland lovers have nothing to say to that.

 

Ah, wonderful, season is not even over yet and the source, whomever it is, basically is saying "more of the same folks"

 

The official said Ireland also prioritizes the draft but is more flexible with regard to free agency. What if Philbin advises Ireland against pursuing Jennings, Wallace or Bowe and suggests finding a receiver in the draft instead? “Jeff would be cool with doing it through the draft,” the official said.

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I see this as a very strong possibility. I would say that of the two Ireland is more likely to want to pursue a FA WR, but it would be stupid of him to force a player on Philbin.

 

I'd like a Gold-Plated Ferrari.

 

People on thePhins.com have no idea what a normal draft looks like in reality, news at 11.

 

I don't buy this. I think if GB doesn't bring back Jennings, he'll be a Dolphin.

 

My fear is that Ted Thompson has spoiled Philbin, and he thinks no matter who's drafted he can plug-in and have success. Could be a little bit of naivete from the first-time Head Coach.

 

Their RB Martin (that they drafted) has more to do with the success of their offense than Jackson.

And the premise is stupid to begin with, because the assumption is being made that a great WR will be available in FA that will suit our team and that no one else will be bidding on them. But hey, its probably me, Lord know this fanbase has never been a reactionary bunch of women before.

 

Because when you sign them, you're signing them to a greater expense, not able to develop them yourself, and they've got very specific skillsets they may or may not find worth it?

Mike Wallace is useful on a very small minority of routes, and doesn't help some of the issues Miami has. He's got his uses, and I think he's worth the money under the right conditions, but that isn't Miami. He's an amazing complimentary receiver, but he's not the "#1" people want.

Dwayne Bowe has serious work ethic problems and you've basically got to hand your passing game over to him to be effective, and if Philbin doesn't want Greg Jennings, that's pretty well his prerogative. He should be allowed completely to make and set the price and interest on him.

 

B/c he doesn't believe it will help as much as the fans do. Fans seem to believe that you can trade for or sign a player and you get his stats too. It has to do with fit. Personally, I would pursue a FA WR b/c I think the draft is weak at the position this year, but I could easily foresee a scenario where I wouldn't get any of those guys if the bidding went too high. And I'm the guy who was often accused of putting too much emphasis on the importance of the passing game. I don't see any of the FA WRs as top elite guys like Megatron. I think they're a tier below. I wouldn't overpay for that. If the bidding got too high on the WRs, I'd probably look for the FA TE who would upgrade our receiving corp and then take a couple of WRs in the draft. I think Austin may fall to the 2nd round and I'd jump all over that. I'd also double up with a guy like Swope in the later rounds. I think a seam threat TE and a guy who can take the top off the D would balance nicely with Bess and Hartline. That's my primary goal. I want guys that threaten all the areas of the field to make it harder for the D to condense in any one area. Then it just comes down to RT making the right decisions.

 

I agree. Doug Martin has helped tremendously.

But even then...their YPC improved from 4.2 to 4.4. Their biggest improvement offensively came at the QB position. from a 74 to 91 QB Rating. Now, you can attribute Freeman's improvement to a Runningback, and that is part of it...but I think a 20 YPC 1000 yard receiver threatening double digit TD's has a LOT to do with it.

 

And I think Jackson's presence on the field has a lot to do with Mike Williams' resurgence as well. Teams have to focus on Jackson and that opens up the field for the rest of the receivers. I think that's what we currently lack. Yes, Hartline and Bess are putting up solid yardage numbers, but I don't think it's a coincidence that our third wide receiver is basically non-existent.

 

This is going to be one of the weakest drafts at WR in recent history. There will be no upgrading of the WR position via the upcoming draft.

 

I'd prefer getting a WR in FA to the draft. The success rate for drafting WRs isn't all that high and it usually takes some time for guys to develop. I think Wallace would be a very nice fit. I assume he'll get a contract that averages $9-10 million per season, which is a lot, but I'm also not sure where else I'd really want to spend that money. If it came down to resigning Long or signing Wallace, I'm not sure which I'd do at this point.

 

Freeman had a 95+ rating in 2010 without Jackson (or anyone like him), so I don't think Jackson necessarily had a lot to do with it (or Martin for that matter). It may well be that Freeman just had a down year in 2011.

 

I'm not sure that the perception of a draft class at this point, or really even in general is all that valuable. Last year was supposed to be a banner draft for wide receivers, and rookie contributions are pretty negligible.

 

While I like Patton, and Swopes on his own certainly isn't a bad prospect I do wonder if taken as a whole the WR unit would have the chemistry you need at the position. We complain about lack of speed in the current unit...but a Hartline-Patton-Bess-Swope unit would not be significantly faster I don't think.

 

So this article is saying that Irleand:

• Wants to build through the draft
• Won't overpay for free agents
• and will work with his HC in making decisions

and is based on a quote for "one official in frequent contact with Miami’s front office"

Move along, nothing to see here folks.

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Bingo

 

Really?

I don't know about that. With Keenan Allen, Cordarrelle Patterson, Quinton Patton, Terrance Williams, Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Marquess Wilson, DeAndre Hopkins, Robert Woods and Da'Rick Rogers all likely to come out...this draft actually seems pretty fat in the top to middle.

 

You glossed over the fact that their running game was even better in 2010, and he had a rookie in Mike Williams that caught the league by surprise, and a very effective Winslow at TE.

With his down tick in talent in 2011...his QB rating also dipped. Not a coincidence.