impressive. he walked walk for our stadium then talked talk here. good on the elf.
goodell will make up an excuse to fine us soon.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...tephen-ross-explains-no-vote-to-raiders-move/
“My position today was that we as owners and as a League owe it to fans to do everything we can to stay in the communities that have supported us until all options have been exhausted"
impressive, he put himself on an island.
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Considering he voted for the Rams to move to LA, this statement is inconsistent and contradictory.
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As someone who recently moved to St. Louis, I appreciate his stance on the matter but wonder where that opinion was last year. St. Louis was definitely not the worst fan base in the sport and they were working hard on plans to fix the dome.
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I would like to see a rule put in place that any team can move but the name has to stay in the original city. Let the raiders move but force them to find a new name
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The Baltimore Colts
The St Louis Cardinals
The Oakland Raiders
The Houston Oilers
The Cleveland Browns
With the Raiders I look at it like this. You originated in Oakland, CA. You didn't like it so you moved to LA, thinking you struck the mother lode, only to realize the grass wasnt greener on the other side so then you begged to go back to Oakland. Now you want to move to Vegas?
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I'm looking forward to the Vegas Raiders, would be fun to bring the wife and see a dolphins game there every few years.
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I was the biggest Ross critic, ever since Wayne H. sold the team... just like all the other real fans...Way before trolls like LBsFartest had to graduate to their next scapegoat, & zero in on the only mainstay they could target... ( idiots )
Was it coincidence that we chose Jake Long and Chad Henne ? No way Jose. Chased Jim Harbaugh? (only to drive him away to a team that would eventually hate him for winning) C'mon guys....There's one lesson learned... Remember the (plan A: Fisher) that ultimately ended in (plan F: Philbin) debacle? Then the embarrasing GM search that found us settling for plan Z: Dennis Hickey, (who did a very nice job IMO.)
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My personal opinion is that the NFL owners group voted "yes" because they are old men with lots of money who want the opportunity to check out the pretty young women which Las Vegas is known for.danmarino likes this. -
The 29 owners that allowed relocation got $1.3B in relocation fees. $53M per team.
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I don't know what the Raiders will be required to pay.
Anyway, the Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is routinely photographed with women of age to be his grandaughter. And Pats owner Robert Kraft has a girlfriend way younger than his own kids. I just think the owners group met yesterday and decided that a "business trip" to Las Vegas each year is not a bad idea.
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It sucks that Oakland lost it's team. I feel terrible for the fans, because they're diehards. It will be interesting to see the fan support in Vegas. I could be wrong, but I feel like most of those tickets are going to be snatched up by the hotels. Comped. Offered in travel packages etc. I dont see the same hardcore rabid Raiders fans existing there. Sure, there will be some I bet, but I feel like the majority of that stadium on Sundays is going to be a mix of people being visiting team fans, corporate people, high rollers, or some on trip packages there for an experience. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't see the team failing though. Theres too many opportunities and exposure there.
Heck, for what it would cost me to fly down to Miami, get a hotel, get to a game I could fly out to Vegas and catch Miami play the Raiders for probably half the price with flight and hotel packages. I know I'm not alone in thinking that. Yes, I'm out of the US, and up here you can get relatively cheap flights to Vegas, and room deals are everywhere, but even within the US that's the case as well.
There's plenty of reasons why they wanted to move a team to Vegas outside of rich old men wanted to have a better reason now to go and check out women. They can do that anywhere, anytime. As you said, Jerry Jones is proof of that. :lol: -
The NFL's foundation was built on individuals and families buying season tickets, attending all the games regardless of the team's w/l record, creating good game day atmosphere for the home team etc.... But most all that is lost with the new trend towards suite-heavy and, or tiered pricing new stadiums.
If the biggest money (for team owners) is in the revenue sharing from NFL t.v. broadcast contracts, I think the teams would be better served by creating or maintaining reasonably priced venues where true fans will be attending the games and making noise, which is what looks good on tv and helps the players play their best.
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Want to know why suites are important? Revenue. Big bucks. My company has a suite at the local arena here in town (max capacity approx. 6500) for a junior hockey team in the OHL. Regular tickets for games are about $20 range. Seats in the "platinum section" are about $28. You get in seat service there. A suite though? That will run you an average of about $700 per game, for 14 tickets or about $50 per person. Food and drinks in the suite at the local 6500 seat arena? A bottle of booze (26 ounce) will run you about $85-120 depending on your selection. Six beers... about $40. Individual bottles... $9. Bottle of wine... $38-$44. Individual drinks are about $5 a piece. Food though? Comes in platters to serve the 14 people. Different packages are available based on the foods you want. They start at about $25 per person, $350 total for things such as popcorn, sliders, fries, wings, and brownies for dessert. Again, keep in mind, this is the local 6500 seat arena, and pricing for Ontario Hockey League/Canadian Hockey League JUNIOR hockey games. The two rows of seating as part of the suite is separated from the last row in the general seating sections by a railing at the edge of your suite, and about a couple feet higher. You're at the top of the rink. Mind you where the suites are is just about 30-35 rows from the ice still. The team isn't fantastic this year, but the suites are always packed. That's the kind of money you can charge in a suit for a junior hockey team, so just think about the revenues stadium and team owners can drive when you're talking NFL and top tier entertainment options. It easily costs us close to $1500-2000 to host a suite full of clients at one of these games.
Suites and corporate/premium seating options aren't going away any time soon, and to me, it's a key reason why you're seeing the Raiders moving to Vegas. What corporation in the US wouldn't want a suite at that stadium regardless of the teams playing? You can have it as an option to send corporate clients on an out of town "adventure" to sin city, on the corporate time to have a great time in Vegas, and catch an NFL game. I can almost guarantee you those suites will never be empty, and the owners if I'm not mistaken also share stadium revenues which is why they're always pressuring each other, and their cities for new stadiums. So, they're all drooling over this opportunity.
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I think this move may backfire on them and that the Raiders may become the only NFL team that doesn't have a home field advantage.
The population of Vegas isn't bad in and of itself, but it's in the middle of the desert, so it has no surrounding communities like every other city to draw on, however, it is one of the most visited cities in the world.
As we can already see in this thread, there will be a ton of fans of other teams planning their trip to Vegas to coincide with their own teams games in Vegas, and I agree with the poster(s) who are saying many seats/boxes will be bought by hotels and such.
Vegas is also one of the biggest business convention sites in the world, so they will buy a bunch of seating as well.
This all adds up to the Raiders games looking like mini SBs, as in neutral, with a large bulk of people who are there just for the spectacle and just as many fans of the other team, which may very well end up as a detraction for potential FAs, and fans alike, because who wants to play/root in a neutral environment, unless of course it's in the actual SB.vt_dolfan likes this. -
I think they will still have their fare share of original Raiders fans at games, along with whomever in Vegas picks them up as their team to support. We've heard all the former Raider greats praising the move and the fan base and trying to say that this shouldn't be an issue. However, I just fail to see how that's possible just given the nature of Vegas and what goes on there. Maybe that's just how we think of it as just occasional visitors to Vegas, maybe it will be different. For the Raiders sake, hopefully that's true. -
I always sympathise with any city or state losing their team. The fans that have supported that team through thick and thin are the ones that get hurt and it doesn't appear the NFL (or any other professional sports league) really gives a rats *** about them. The leagues are concerned with making money, and if another market offers them the chance to make more money they'll pursue it. Like the NFL have by getting two teams in LA and now a team in Vegas.
In the future, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one of the other smaller market teams end up being the next to move to a more lucrative area for the league to make money from. Cities like Buffalo and Cincinnati could have issues retaining their teams if they don't cough up enough public money, or don't help put plans in place to build stadiums that meet what the NFL currently look for. If other markets emerge with plans to build other huge state of the art stadiums, with public money attached, it could be difficult and we could see the landscape of the league look very different in the coming years. I hope we don't lose any teams with strong traditions like the Buffalo Bills, but if the league continues to pursue the stadium policy that it is, and owners are willing to abandon their markets for other markets that offer them a better deal and opportunity to make more money, then some of those smaller markets could end up going if their home markets aren't careful.
That said, Oakland have had a long time to get something done, much like San Diego. Neither City really seemed likely to cough up the level of money required to keep their team, and while it's sad to see those teams move, I can understand why their respective owners have made the decision to relocate. Spanos gets to be part of Kroenke's LA palace, and Davis gets a palace of his own in Vegas. They'll likely see their team values increase as well when they're playing in their new stadiums. What will be interesting is whether either team will be able to create strong home atmospheres in their new markets and create a new core fan base to support their team if fans from their previous markets don't attend. For me, I think the Raiders will do fine in Vegas if the Raider Nation travel well and the home fans take to them. They've got exciting young talent and if they keep improving theyll be fine. -
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Mark Davis, like his father Al, never put effort into finding investors to finance a new stadium project.For decades all the Davis family did was complain about stadium conditions and demand someone else do the work (towards achieving a new stadium).
Las Vegas and the State of Nevada stepped up and did the work, so that is where the Raiders will play.
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Looking forward the next few years, for several different potential reasons, Mark Davis could become seriously strapped for cash and end up losing his controlling ownership position of the Raiders. It would not surprise me if 3 or 4 years from now, when the new Las Vegas Stadium is ready for games, someone other than Mark Davis is controlling owner of the Raiders. -
Now let me ask you this ....... Miami is (in many ways) a "tourist city".Do those of you who attend Dolphins games notice a large number of tourists and, or opposing team's fans attending the games ?
For decades, when they played in the tourist city of San Francisco, I was a 49ers season ticket holder and never noticed many out of town visitors at the stadium. More recently, as a Raiders season ticket holder, at the Oakland Coliseum, I saw no tourists.
Honestly, the idea that tourists in Las Vegas are going to flock to a football stadium I think is a stretch. Maybe for the first year or two, maybe.
Traditionally, NFL teams need locally based season ticket holders who will consistently attend games, regardless of the team's w/l record.
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