Tannehill: 4th Worse Running QB in the League..Philbin: Tannehill Doesnt Have to Run
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vt_dolfansubscriberOPWhile reading an article in the Miami Herald this morning, I came across an interesting stat. Ryan Tannehill is the 4th worst running QB in the league, this according to Football Outsiders.
There has been talk about Ryan's decision to hang in the pocket to long, giving up a sack, rather then running.
Joe Philbin says...
“You’d rather have a guy who’s comfortable standing in there and then speeding it up as opposed to a guy who’s always running out of there, always seeing ghosts,”
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/29/3657927/dolphins-coach-joe-philbin-ryan.html#storylink=cpy
“It’s better to have a guy willing to sit in there and function while some stuff’s compressing around him as opposed to, ‘I thought I felt something. I’ve got to get out of here,’ ” Philbin said.
He also said its part of a Qbs developmental process.
Now, Im not a QB coach...nor an expert. But Im damned impressed by this. Think about it, everybody knows Ryan Tannehill can run with the ball. Ryan himself knows he can pull it down and run well with the ball. So, this seems like a concerted effort by Ryan to NOT fall back on that. To learn how to handle pressure inside the pocket well. Look, his ability to scramble isnt going to go away. It will always be there. But, imagine how good he will be once he becomes a master of the pocket. I could be crazy...but I think we are only seeing a glimpse of his potential at QB.
What do you all think?
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MikeHonchosubscriberI just know this oline and backfield needs to improve pass protection so the kid can shred defenses.
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Alex13subscriberwe know he can run, i'm much happier that he can apparently pass
Vertical Limitforum_veteranI actually don't know he can run well. Honestly, the few times I've seen him scramble, and him being a former wide receiver, he's not very fast.
shula_guyNew MemberI think it sounds like coach speak. If RT ran more Philbin would be praising him for identifying that the pocket is collapsing and using his legs to keep drives alive. I do believe that RT is being groomed and growing into his position rather nicely. I just do not much weight into comments like those.
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FanMarinoNew MemberThat stat is pretty much a red herring. He can run. Its not like he has lead weights around his ankles. He isn't a burner when he takes off but he can get to the 1st down marker if needed.
bbqpitloverforum_veteranWhere do QB's like Brady,Manning and Brees rate on that list?
djphinfansubscriberI think it's an excellent article and something I continue to struggle understanding, the thought of training someone to hang in the pocket without engaging their instinct to run is fascinating, and the discrepency in the ratio even from last year when it comes to running seemingly gives the statement validity..
Can you design and win a championship designing the offense to be strictly executed from he pocket, or do you need the playmaking trait when protection breaks down, Monday nite should be a good test to see where tannehill/Sherman is at this point because the intensity should be playoff like..
Like you VT it makes me feel good hearing the these specific comments.
Fin-OmenalNew MemberRemember all that read-option talk by Sherman this offseason?? Hahahahaha
djphinfansubscriber"KingMotion wrote:
Check the Bills game last year. He blew past guys with angles.
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It's his stop to start action that isn't very good, once he gets going he pretty darn fast.
djphinfansubscriber"Fin-Omenal wrote:
Remember all that read-option talk by Sherman this offseason?? Hahahahaha
Damned if he didn't have me chomping at the bit..still would like to see it considering every time he ran it (which was in the 2nd half if the season btw) Ryan had a 10 yard average on 10 carries...not bad O
RoninFin4subscriber"Fin-Omenal wrote:
Remember all that read-option talk by Sherman this offseason?? Hahahahaha
What better time to unleash it than tomorrow night? :shifty:
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RoninFin4subscriber"djphinfan wrote:
Damned if he didn't have me chomping at the bit..still would like to see it considering every time he ran it (which was in the 2nd half if the season btw) Ryan had a 10 yard average on 10 carries...not bad O
By my count, Miami has run a zone-read play twice this year - once against Indy, and once last week - Tannehill just handed it to Miller though instead of keeping it. He still carried out his fake as if he had the ball though.
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cuchulainnsubscriber"RoninFin4 wrote:
What better time to unleash it than tomorrow night? :shifty:
Indeed... but you KNOW Rob Ryan called Rex for a run down on playing Tannehill. Rob is going to blitz early and often and from everywhere. I hope to see us adjusting an rolling the pocket some. Also hoping Sims does a better job in blocking after that embarrassing BS he pulled with Falcons in letting Osi U blow by him for the sack and strip.
steveincoloradoNew MemberI'd rather have a QB that can read a D and make adjustments throwing the ball than have a running QB anyway. The last "running" QB to win a Super Bowl was Steve Young and he only ran when he had to.
Phins_Fan_87subscriber"bbqpitlover wrote:
Where do QB's like Brady,Manning and Brees rate on that list?
probably 1, 2, and 3 lol
steveincoloradoNew Member"Phins_Fan_87 wrote:
probably 1, 2, and 3 lol
Was thinking the same thing.....lol
steveincoloradoNew Member"bbqpitlover wrote:
Where do QB's like Brady,Manning and Brees rate on that list?
Add Tanny to those three, 12-0
djphinfansubscriber"steveincolorado wrote:
I'd rather have a QB that can read a D and make adjustments throwing the ball than have a running QB anyway. The last "running" QB to win a Super Bowl was Steve Young and he only ran when he had to.
Flacco has very good pocket maneuverability and playmaking ability..
AquafinNew Member"steveincolorado wrote:
I'd rather have a QB that can read a D and make adjustments throwing the ball than have a running QB anyway. The last "running" QB to win a Super Bowl was Steve Young and he only ran when he had to.
ME too and didn't Mike Vick and / or Daunte Culpepper wn a ring ? oh wait that was Donnovan McNabb that won a ring not the other two .
steveincoloradoNew Member"djphinfan wrote:
Flacco has very good pocket maneuverability and playmaking ability..
True, but he's not a real threat to run on you and if he does, he's not going very far.
steveincoloradoNew Member"Aquafin wrote:
ME too and didn't Mike Vick and / or Daunte Culpepper wn a ring ? oh wait that was Donnovan McNabb that won a ring not the other two .
Neither of those two have a ring.
mlb1399forum_veteranIt's great to have a QB who can make plays with his feet. At the NFL level, every extra hit on your QB adds up and increases the chances of injuries. Guys like Vick and RGIII are fun to watch but they won't stay healthy. Give me a pocket passing QB who can move around in the pocket to avoid hits/sacks and extend plays any day of the week.
When you get down to it, RTH has made substantial strides over the last 12 months. I can't even imagine what another year or two will do for him. As his pocket awareness/movement improves, he will become the franchise QB we all need and want him to be. It's still early but Ireland and the staff hit a homerun with him.
vt_dolfansubscriberIt may be a bad analogy...but I kinda see it like being a hitter. Some guys are just "foot in the bucket" pull hitters. Ball is inside or over the plate...its getting yanked down the line, but they dont become a truly great hitter till they learn to go the other way with the ball. For Ryan, he worked hard at being a better pocket passer over the summer. He's staying in the pocket so he doesnt lose any options across the field. When he develops the prescence to know..ok..time to pull it down and move, hes gonna be all the more deadly.
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Rhody Phins Fanforum_veteranHis athleticism doesn't "pop" but he's definitely a smooth athlete when he pulls the ball down. I think his athleticism is comparable to Aaron Rodgers, which is perfectly fine with me. Now he just needs to use that athleticism like Rodgers.
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