I have been reading articles and watching conferences that mentions from Tannehill, players, and Campbell that he needs to run more. I know he ran well last year but he hasn't ran much this time around. Since we are attempting a playoff run, should his running ability be part of the offense to help get us into the playoffs?
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Here's an article saying that Campbell wants him to run more too.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/20/dan-campbell-wants-ryan-tannehill-to-run-more/
I think it might open up the running game. They haven't been running the QB option in the last 4 or 5 games as much as they did at the beginning of the season or last year. He is taking a beating so they may not want to subject him to too many more hits. But last game the QB keeper option was open but they weren't taking advantage of it IMO. Especially in the second half.
Here's an interesting question. Do you start out running Tannehill out of the option to show them that look or wait until the 2nd half, after you haven't done it at all and need to get a big play after they are tending not to respect that he's going to run since this hasn't been the tendency in the last several games? -
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He should be on the move more. There's no doubt.
Lets start with letting have more control over audibles first though.
Lazor needs to untighten the reigns a bit.Pandarilla, PhinFan1968, number21 and 1 other person like this. -
When Tannehill runs, it has really made this offense click. It seems that, the games he ran more in last year, we won. I don't understand why we haven't done much of it this year so far. Bill Lazor needs to learn what does and doesn't work. Does work: Tannehill running. DOESN'T work: the shotgun sweep.
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I wondered if it was b/c he had an ankle injury early on. Nothing deflates a defense like a QB run for a first down.
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The problem here is three fold..coordinator doesnt run him nearly enough, cutting his production down about 75 % from last year... He has no idea when to tuck and run himself..now .some folks will argue that he needs good protection to do that as well, and for those folks I lol..and of course we know the coordinator isnt booting him nearly enough relative to his talent.
If these three things happened smartly every game I believe there would be a lot less cirticism of the qb..
Tom brady has more unscripted runs past the LOS than ryan...there is something very wrong with that..
threatening a defense with the qbs ability to run, can slow down a pass rush, improve your 3rd down conversion rate, and bottom line, win games...Shouldnt that be talked about more when your the most pressured/sacked qb in the league..dolphin25, Fin-O, KeyFin and 1 other person like this. -
Now are they talking about designed run plays or scrambling when plays break down?
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Show me you can lead, win and make playoffs before you start eliminating 3 parts to a qb's skillset...
Im happy that they have publicly acknowledged it, maybe both the qb and coordinator will get their heads out their asses. -
That endzone hit he took last week was viscious, absolutely viscious, and if it would of put him out for this game maybe folks would open their eyes more...its not more dangerous to have him run in both ways, he has an awareness as to know when to get down.dolphin25 likes this. -
thru 9 games ryan has 17 attempts {scripted and unscripted} for 44 yards..
last year ryan had 311 yards after the season..
he ran 3 1/2 times a game last year relative to the skillset, which is not even that much..The progression of him as a qb should of been to add another carry per game to that average.. -
on the other hand for those who want him to operate exclusively out of the pocket and think thats the way to go to win multiple championships then their happy, cause he sure as hell will stare down the barrell..however, Imo, A qb has to know that line, reshuffle, manipulate and reset, or bottm line, take off and run for yardage and show a defense another threat in your arsenal..these things have positive residual affect against a defense..slowing the rush is one..Finster likes this. -
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You have adjust based on a QB's strengths & weaknesses.
Ryan Tannehill is the opposite of Dan Marino.
Ryan Tannehill has weak pocket presence, but is a good runner.
He should spend less time in the pocket, and have more read-option runs and designed rollouts.
As for Ryan Tannehill taking hits from running, it should be noted that all the crushing hits he's taken have been in the pocket or when flushed from the pocket.
I can't remember a single case where Ryan Tannehill took a crushing hit on a read-option run or designed rollout.
On designed running plays, Tannehill will slide, get out of bounds, avoid the big hit. -
Ryan Tannehill barely runs anymore — and Dolphins want that to change
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article45505962.html
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didn't he say last year that he liked to run and get hit because it made him more focused and "in the game"? i remember numerous times where he would run and then it seemed he would click throwing the ball and got into a zone.
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which tells me they both dont have a clue of its importance or really how to implement in a timely fashion during the course of a game..If they did they both would run, lazor would move ryan early and often, and ryan would show the defense thats its gonna be a long day and that their going to have to account for my legs...but every game, we see nothing..maybe 1 roll out per game, 0 unscripted runs, and maybe 1 or 2 zone reads keepers if were lucky..theres really no sense running it if he's never gonna keep it.. -
At the very least i'd like to see him get outside the pocket on a bootleg or something. He seems to be very effective throwing on the run the five times i've seen him do it during his career.
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HOWEVER, Tannehill wasn't drafted as a running quarterback and Philbin drilled it into him to stay in the pocket no matter what. He might have scrambled 5-6 times in his rookie season total and I don't think he ran it at all. Even in year two when he was flushed out, he would continue to scan the field for an outlet even though he had 20 yards of clear green grass right in front of him. So if you want to know why Tannehill is not running often, it's because it's been ingrained in his head to stand in the pocket and make the throw. The problem is, they did it so much that he doesn't scramble to avoid monster hits and he leaves a lot of plays on the field because he's thinking instead of reacting.
Add to that another big problem....he has poor peripheral vision. He escaped pressure in college because he was on the move and his lateral vision wasn't as big of an issue. But now that we want him to stand still, it's a major issue and there is zero solution for fixing it. How can he step up in the pocket when he doesn't see the DE crashing down? He can't.
By the way, I did a comparison on another site of the average pressures in the NFL.....Miami is about 3% above average, which works out to an extra pressure on 1.2 plays PER GAME. Brady has the best line in the league and he's pressured .9 plays per game less than average, or 2.9 less than Wilson up in Seattle (they have the worst line this season). But if we're comparing apples to apples here, our line is only slightly below average and they protect the QB just as good as any team....there's just not a huge variance between the best and the worst.
The real difference is how each QB handles the pressure; Brady throws bullets, Wilson takes off running, Rodgers scrambles and buys more time. Tannehill- he doesn't recognize the pressure in time so he gets clobbered, and he also fumbles on those blind hits 1 in 3 times. So it's not a question of "should he" do more with his legs...it is an absolute necessity to remain competitive.
Now, I'm not saying that he should rush 12 times per game, but keeping Tannehill in the pocket simply is not a valid long-term answer. As others have said, he does seem to excel when he gets outside the tackles and/or bursts down the field for a quick 10-15 yards, and we can do this successfully without putting him in serious danger like the Randall Cunningham's of the past. If he slides feet first, then he 100% safe....which makes hi mobility a huge benefit in this league. The key is to have him stop thinking about it though and just take off....EXACTLY LIKE HE DID IN COLLEGE. But again, he's been trained to stay in the pocket and that was very hard for him....that's like telling a boxer to switch to southpaw in round 7 and then switch back to righty in round 12. It takes far too much thinking when you should be letting instincts take over.
For the record, I've said that I'm not a big fan of Ryan Tannehill for some time now and this is exactly the reason why....he's been coached into this robotic pocket passer who ignores 99% of his instincts on each play. While his numbers have increased due to great production by our receivers and better accuracy, he has regressed just as much each season as Philbin tried to make him fit a certain mold. And it sucks folks...but that's our QB1. He has the potential to be so much more, yet we have insisted that he forget about that stuff and learn to be a Peyton Manning clone. -
the reason you take away the legs from a qb and force him to stay in the pocket, even if the short term results are poorer than they would be if you didnt, is you have to break the horse of his instincts and teach him new instincts. you want him to think like a pocket qb.KeyFin likes this. -
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so the question remains, where does he take the majority of his hits?..strait in the pocket, because thats where the defense knows hes going to be...at all times obviously..the numbers dont lie in this case.. -
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I think Tannehill's skill set is close to Steve Youngs. He is getting to be a good pocket QB, but if he can get that killer instinct for when to run the ball and break the Defenses back, he'll be a great QB. He's not going to be able to develop that if they don't let him loose however. Can't coach it in, but they can sure coach it out.
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Those guys average FAR shorter careers than pocket guys...no thanks.adamprez2003 likes this. -
For example, one play from his 2nd year still sticks with me- it was like a 3rd and 5 and a blitz came right up the middle. He was flushed out of the pocket, peddling backwards and scanning the field, and pressure from the right side got him sprinting towards the sidelines. Well, he completely outran the blitz and the entire right side of the field was empty except for Hartline and a defender about 25 yards past the LOS. I mean, Tannehill could have jogged for the 1st down easily....he had 20 yards minimum...but he kept his focus on Hartline as he bobbed and weaved trying to get open. Then Tannehill threw an absolute bullet at him right as he got to the line of scrimmage...I remember thinking that he might have crossed and it was a dead play. Honestly, I don't even remember if the pass was caught....but it was absolutely ridiculous to throw the ball in the first place. The right side of the field was empty and half the opposition was chasing him from behind or the center of the field.
Now that he's so thoroughly trained to never run though, I'm not sure if they can switch him back (to some degree). There have been a lot of read-option plays this year where he chose to hand off when the DE signaled it was a keeper, and I think he's scrambling less than ever as well. So I don't know how you solve that with a QB with poor peripheral vision...maybe have the linemen yell "fire" as a signal to take off running? That's what we used to do in college whenever there was a turnover...it meant to stop what you're doing and get downfield to throw a block or make a tackle.
As I've said earlier though, the key to Tannehill's success is a solid run game. We have to pound Miller and Ajayi so the defense stays at home more often...that's the only short-term fix.adamprez2003 likes this.
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