Tannehill with another first....

2 to 1 Td to Int ratio..again

OL gave him time and he carved the patsies up, I do not "get" the THill hate/dislike

"padre31 wrote:

2 to 1 Td to Int ratio..again

OL gave him time and he carved the patsies up, I do not "get" the THill hate/dislike

You got me man, there are plenty of worse QBs.

Oh well, luckily none of them are in charge!

"padre31 wrote:

2 to 1 Td to Int ratio..again

OL gave him time and he carved the patsies up, I do not "get" the THill hate/dislike

That's the thing right there. When he has decent protection he makes plays so that's the number one reason I never gave up on him. At times he frustrated all of us , but he`s proved to be effective when the pocket allows him to read the defense and react and move around. Its hard to be a playmaker when you`re knocked on your ass before you even have a chance to see the routes develop. I know ,I know, one game does not a season make but Tannehill has proved in the past that he can move the offense when players around him do their job as well.

Yeah, I'm not yet sold on Tannehill. I see games where I think he can be our franchise QB, and I see games where I think we need to get rid of him.

But the TD/INT ratio, yards and very importantly the increase in Y/A to 7.2 (first time he crossed 7) shows that overall he didn't regress from last year, even though he didn't improve anywhere as much as most hoped he would.

So I guess we'll see how he does in the 2016 season! The most important improvements I want to see are much better pocket awareness (shift to avoid pressure, and know when to run), clutch performance when trailing in the 4th, and consistency.

With the OL being so bad for so long, we simply don't really know what we have in Tannehill.

"RGF wrote:

That's the thing right there. When he has decent protection he makes plays so that's the number one reason I never gave up on him. At times he frustrated all of us , but he`s proved to be effective when the pocket allows him to read the defense and react and move around. Its hard to be a playmaker when you`re knocked on your ass before you even have a chance to see the routes develop. I know ,I know, one game does not a season make but Tannehill has proved in the past that he can move the offense when players around him do their job as well.

There is this myth out there that great qbs can overcome horrific oline play. Look at Brady and when the latest injuries to the oline turned his oline unto our oline. 2-3 over that period. Brees, rivers, etc...tannehill is a top ten QB playing behind an abomination of an online. If our front office ever builds an even average oline for the guy we will have the stats that meet his talent

"cbrad wrote:

Yeah, I'm not yet sold on Tannehill. I see games where I think he can be our franchise QB, and I see games where I think we need to get rid of him.

But the TD/INT ratio, yards and very importantly the increase in Y/A to 7.2 (first time he crossed 7) shows that overall he didn't regress from last year, even though he didn't improve anywhere as much as most hoped he would.

So I guess we'll see how he does in the 2016 season! The most important improvements I want to see are much better pocket awareness (shift to avoid pressure, and know when to run), clutch performance when trailing in the 4th, and consistency.

True, his deep ball improved, clearly, felt like he sort of stepped back in a couple of other areas

When I hear he is "the 25th Qb in the league" find it absurd, he has a lot to work with and keep in mind the Staff was chaos this season, he maintained, good in a way, not great in another way. The mantra in the NFL is "great players make great plays", which he did not consistently do this year

wrong thread

People like to think that Ryan Tannehill is hard to figure out. I disagree. It's not a coincidence that he plays his best games when the offensive line actually gives him decent time to scan the field. We saw it against the Giants, and we saw it against the Patriots. That New England defense is no slouch either.

I saw a lot of comments today about Tannehill along the lines of "why can't he play like this all the time?"

That's simple, because most of the time the offensive line is dog ****, and when they decide to not be dog ****, look what happens. Big, clutch throws throughout the game.

Ryan has things he needs to improve upon without a doubt, but it's games like this that show you why people still believe in him. He's perfectly capable of winning games, the rest of the offense just needs to do their part. Add in a coaching staff that actually knows what they're doing and we have something cooking.

It was the same offensive line it has been lately. The difference was he made a couple plays with his feet and FINALLY decided to throw the ball down the field (and yes those throws have been open all year)

"adamprez2003 wrote:

There is this myth out there that great qbs can overcome horrific oline play. Look at Brady and when the latest injuries to the oline turned his oline unto our oline. 2-3 over that period. Brees, rivers, etc...tannehill is a top ten QB playing behind an abomination of an online. If our front office ever builds an even average oline for the guy we will have the stats that meet his talent

Yep when the Pats OL got injured and couldnt protect Brady they decided to play safe ball and still got Brady hammered. This since it was done by Bellichek is another "Genius" move by him.

Tannehil has been playing with a similar OL for years.

Yes they played Brady and Gronk all but 5 mins BUT if they truly were just trying to protect players and "play it safe" Brady wouldnt have played past the first couple of hits and Gronk wouldnt have played at all.

One good game still hasn't sold me on him. This title could have easily been "Tannehill with another first"...........win in the last game of the season.

EDIT: Remember...this weeks game was the first TD pass he threw in a few games too.

"jason8er wrote:

With the OL being so bad for so long, we simply don't really know what we have in Tannehill.

I disagree. I think that its clear that we have a good QB who's tough as nails, and in spite of being handcuffed by the OL play and poor play design and calls, has played something like the 12th best QB in the league over the last two seasons. A guy who threw exactly one INT in the last five games of the season, and only 3 over the last nine games, vs 11 TD passes in that time frame.

I'm totally confidant that we have a QB who is already proven to be good. He may even become great, when not handicapped by the nonsense and garbage he's been surrounded by.

The blocking WAS better yesterday. The run game WAS better yesterday. Tannehill WAS better yesterday. The Defense WAS better yesterday. It was evident of what we have when all the pieces are playing together. For the team.

RT is not the biggest issue that needs addressed. In fact I think he has shown he can be a weapon given the proper TEAM around him. Hopeful that the new coach agrees and that they spend some time/money fixing the OL this offseason and that RT really starts to shine.

With Tanne it's all about clutch, I've said it time and again, I'd be happy with Tanne IF he was clutch.

1 good game after a string of bad games hasn't changed my opinion of Tanne, but like most people I'd love to see a good Oline here, I thought they should have spent 2-3 picks on Oline last year.

Tanny has all the talent in the world from the neck down.

This just in folks, in move showing both leadership and charisma Ryan Tannehill has personally informed both Jason Fox and Dallas Thomas they can **** off.

Quick...someone cue Vince doing the "you're fired!"

"DolphinGreg wrote:

This just in folks, in move showing both leadership and charisma Ryan Tannehill has personally informed both Jason Fox and Dallas Thomas they can **** off.

Quick...someone cue Vince doing the "you're fired!"

I did see some emotion from Tannehill last game which was really great to see.

He still hasn't shown me all that I'd like to see, but his YPA has improved, and that's with a lower completion % meaning shots further down the field are being completed. He's going nowhere for 2016 and if he stinks up the joint, will still get part of 2017 to compete with whoever. He's no Russell Wilson but he's what we got, and his ceiling isn't that high but high enough.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

People like to think that Ryan Tannehill is hard to figure out. I disagree. It's not a coincidence that he plays his best games when the offensive line actually gives him decent time to scan the field. We saw it against the Giants, and we saw it against the Patriots. That New England defense is no slouch either.

I saw a lot of comments today about Tannehill along the lines of "why can't he play like this all the time?"

That's simple, because most of the time the offensive line is dog ****, and when they decide to not be dog ****, look what happens. Big, clutch throws throughout the game.

Ryan has things he needs to improve upon without a doubt, but it's games like this that show you why people still believe in him. He's perfectly capable of winning games, the rest of the offense just needs to do their part. Add in a coaching staff that actually knows what they're doing and we have something cooking.

This post pretty much sums up my thoughts on Tannehill and the Tannehill related debates that have and will continue to rage on. Until this organization places a premium on protecting Tannehill, something this organization hasn't done in 4 years, I'm going to stand firm on my belief that Tannehill is and should continue to be the starting QB of the Dolphins. There's too much evidence to suggest that Tannehill is capable of great things when he's got time to drop back, read the field, and deliver the ball.

And there's overwhelming evidence of how important pass protection is in general, in relation to how well a QB performs. Whether it's the fall from grace that Andrew Luck experienced in the eyes of media/fans in 2015, to the rise of Dalton and Newton (7th and 4th best pass protecting offensive lines) in the eyes of media/fans. You can't turn on a sports related TV/radio show today without hearing about Rodgers and Brady's inability to succeed in the face over constant and overwhelming pressure. Yet, nobody seems to care that Tannehill has dealt with those same offensive line limitations his entire career. Sacks, hits, pressures, etc... Tannehill has never had a season without that kind of tremendous adversity.

Last year he finished with a 93 qb rating, this year 89. He's limited his INT's to 12 in back to back years, which is a pretty strong number. Only twice did he have multiple INT games in 2015. Set a franchise record for most att. w/o an INT (He almost accomplished that as a rookie, BTW, so that isn't a fluke). Set an NFL record for consecutive competitions, besting McNabb. At one point in 2015, he was trailing only Tom Brady for most consecutive games with multiple TD passes... Last year, he became the first QB since Vick to have 4 straight games of 40+ yards rushing (5 yards away from 5 straight). I'm not saying he's Brady, Marino, Vick, McNabb, whoever else. I'm not saying he's elite. My thoughts on Tannehill are summed up, like this...

Tannehill at his worst, has shown over the last 3 seasons, he's a high floor QB. He's going to throw 20+ TD's, 4,000 yards, 60% completion, and limit his INT's to around 12-14ish. He isn't going to make a ton of mistakes. He's not going to make a ton bad reads and bad throws. And he can/does flash high ceiling ability. Now that we know his floor, the question is now, what's his ceiling? I can't give anyone a definitive answer to that question. We'll never know until this organization invests various resources into their franchise QB.

I will say, it's encouraging to see guys like Andy Dalton and Cam Newton step up in the way they have. Cam is kind of a different animal than anyone else in the league, so he's hard to compare anyone with... That being said, both QB's have top offensive line production/pass protection in 2015, something which neither have had previously. And Both QB's took huge leaps in their passing game. On the flip side, Andrew Luck's fall from grace is also encouraging, in another way. With an offensive line that's as bad as Miami's, Luck produced 17 TD's, 15 INT's, 55% completion, and 6.4 YPA. Fix the offensive line and I feel good about Miami's offense and Tannehill.

Uh, Cam and Dalton have been good for the past few years.

"dolphin25 wrote:

Uh, Cam and Dalton have been good for the past few years.

Exactly. They were good. Not great. Same as Tannehill, who also has been good the past few years. If you go strictly by the numbers, Tannehill had better numbers in all of their 3rd and 4th years in the league.

Cam, is a different animal than anything we've ever seen at QB. It's so hard to compare him against anyone. Having said that, despite being more dynamic, many did believe Tannehill was a better passer. From Peter King, Greg Cosell, etc... Those type of thoughts were echoed by many people here too. And just like Tannehill, there were people questioning if he had "earned" his new contract. *For the record, I've been on Cam's bandwagon all along. I think he's a special player in every way.

With Dalton, especially after his 2014 season, the narrative over the course of the off-season was that he could lose his job to AJ McCarron. In fact, some people thought McCarron had a stronger camp than Dalton and it was only a matter of time before he took over. Those thoughts were washed away when Dalton started slinging at an elite level. But they did exist at one point and for good reason. Dalton didn't consistently play at a high level and was a turnover prone with 3 consecutive seasons with 16+ INT.

The comparison of Cam and Dalton to Tannehill is fair. Both QB's had question marks, as neither had ever had "elite seasons." Both teams have top 10 offensive lines in 2015 and both took huge leaps in their passing ability. If Miami were to invest in their franchise QB, I could just as easily see Tannehill having similar success as he's already demonstrated he's a high floor QB w/poor offenses.

"Clark Kent wrote:

This post pretty much sums up my thoughts on Tannehill and the Tannehill related debates that have and will continue to rage on. Until this organization places a premium on protecting Tannehill, something this organization hasn't done in 4 years, I'm going to stand firm on my belief that Tannehill is and should continue to be the starting QB of the Dolphins. There's too much evidence to suggest that Tannehill is capable of great things when he's got time to drop back, read the field, and deliver the ball.

And there's overwhelming evidence of how important pass protection is in general, in relation to how well a QB performs. Whether it's the fall from grace that Andrew Luck experienced in the eyes of media/fans in 2015, to the rise of Dalton and Newton (7th and 4th best pass protecting offensive lines) in the eyes of media/fans. You can't turn on a sports related TV/radio show today without hearing about Rodgers and Brady's inability to succeed in the face over constant and overwhelming pressure. Yet, nobody seems to care that Tannehill has dealt with those same offensive line limitations his entire career. Sacks, hits, pressures, etc... Tannehill has never had a season without that kind of tremendous adversity.

Last year he finished with a 93 qb rating, this year 89. He's limited his INT's to 12 in back to back years, which is a pretty strong number. Only twice did he have multiple INT games in 2015. Set a franchise record for most att. w/o an INT (He almost accomplished that as a rookie, BTW, so that isn't a fluke). Set an NFL record for consecutive competitions, besting McNabb. At one point in 2015, he was trailing only Tom Brady for most consecutive games with multiple TD passes... Last year, he became the first QB since Vick to have 4 straight games of 40+ yards rushing (5 yards away from 5 straight). I'm not saying he's Brady, Marino, Vick, McNabb, whoever else. I'm not saying he's elite. My thoughts on Tannehill are summed up, like this...

Tannehill at his worst, has shown over the last 3 seasons, he's a high floor QB. He's going to throw 20+ TD's, 4,000 yards, 60% completion, and limit his INT's to around 12-14ish. He isn't going to make a ton of mistakes. He's not going to make a ton bad reads and bad throws. And he can/does flash high ceiling ability. Now that we know his floor, the question is now, what's his ceiling? I can't give anyone a definitive answer to that question. We'll never know until this organization invests various resources into their franchise QB.

I will say, it's encouraging to see guys like Andy Dalton and Cam Newton step up in the way they have. Cam is kind of a different animal than anyone else in the league, so he's hard to compare anyone with... That being said, both QB's have top offensive line production/pass protection in 2015, something which neither have had previously. And Both QB's took huge leaps in their passing game. On the flip side, Andrew Luck's fall from grace is also encouraging, in another way. With an offensive line that's as bad as Miami's, Luck produced 17 TD's, 15 INT's, 55% completion, and 6.4 YPA. Fix the offensive line and I feel good about Miami's offense and Tannehill.

Beautiful post.

"dolphin25 wrote:

Uh, Cam and Dalton have been good for the past few years.

Keep trying dude, it's cute!

Go you!