Whats does everybody think of tavon austin has a late first round or early 2nd round prospect?He reminds me of a smaller version of percy harvin incredible feet,amazing quickness ands really good speed.I could see him replacing bess in the slot and be are big play wr.My biggest concern is his size but he is not a ted ginn with just straight line speed he can stop on a dime and make amazing cuts.
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He has been a beast receiving and absolutely embarrassed Oklahoma (I believe) running the ball as well. He definitely looks like he will be a player in the NFL by my totally unqualified analysis.
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He's a luxury, we need bread and butter offense players. Dexter McCluster with better receiving skills.
We need a WR we can use *like* a WR. Stedman Bailey please. -
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passing routes than TA. I also thought Harvin was more physical coming out.
Don't get me wrong, TA is amazing but I feel like you have to design how to get him the ball outside of base offense calls for him to make his full impact.
If we already had great starting WRs I'd take him in a heartbeat. Also, he's basically going to work out of the slot, where Bess gives us production. The improvement from Bess to TA in slit production will not be as much as the difference between Bess and Bailey or Moore and Bailey as the outside number two receiver. Jennings, Bailey, Hartline, Bess, Matthews is a very good corps to run this offense.
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I'm torn here. IMO Austin is a great player, but great in a niche. There's value in that, but the question is how much is that worth? I expect that Miami will pursue and hopefully land one of the main three FA WRs (Jennings, Bowe or Wallace). I also expect that Hartline will be resigned. I could see Austin or another fav of mine, Bailey fitting in nicely with that addition and what we already have. Bailey isn't as explosive as Austin, but he is probably a better all-around WR. He reminds me of Mark Clayton (the Dolphin, not the Raven/Ram), who is my favorite Dolphin WR ever. (I don't think he's the best WR they ever had, just my favorite). That may make me a bit biased towards Bailey, but I also love that we may be able to get Bailey a round or two later. In the end, I would strongly consider Austin with one of our second round picks and Bailey with our later second and third round picks. I would target one of the pressure players with our first and probably a S with our first or second 2nd.
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The truth is, though, I doubt he makes the bottom of the second. I had also initially hoped for him making it to our third round pick, but having seen the WRs out there this year, why would we take a chance on the one guy I am convicted WILL add TDs to our totals next year from the outside WR spot.. a position of need. Is it overdrafting? Not if you get production. Patrick turner was overdrafted. Stedman Bailey will not be overdrafted if you take him in the mid second round (where we will be picking).
This is colored by my not being on the Elam bandwagon. In a perfect world, I suppose you get both. But then we must hope for a good TE in round three. Are there any who may be available there? -
One more thing to consider. Would having a player like Tavon help or hinder Ryan's development by skewing the playbook towards more short screens, reverses, etc?
This team, and Ryan, first need to learn to execute the full normal playbook at full pace. Sherman has said he pared both way back from what he had hoped to do when it became obvious the team couldn't execute it yet. I don't want wrinkles added to this offense before the offense even KNOWS the offense! lol.
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The interesting thing is that while Tavon Austin gets accolades for the big plays he makes, Stedman Bailey actually caught about 45% of West Virginia's touchdowns on the year. Look at the Oklahoma game. Austin gains over 500 yards in all purpose yardage, but Bailey's 13 reception, 205 yard, 4 TD game against Oklahoma is overshadowed. Bailey averaged a ridiculous 1.9 TD a game.
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I just hope he doesn't end up with the Pats, or if the Jets get a new GM, with the Jets. -
While I believe Stedman is probably my top rated WR in the class, Tavon Austin's role in that Oklahoma game can't be overlooked. That was the game they unveiled the plan to have him playing true tailback and actually take carries. Oklahoma played it poorly. The success of it helped Stedman have the day he had. Although if they didn't respect Stedman so much on the outside they may have played Austin at RB a little different.
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Given this debate I still can't help but wonder how valid the "Geno Smith #1 overall" talk really is. More so than other years, it just seems like pegging the position to the pick.
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I can't see him going first overall, even though the Chiefs do need a QB.Bpk likes this. -
I wonder if the Seahawks will look at jettisoning Matt Flynn's contract now that Russell Wilson has been everything they could've hoped and then some. The Chiefs could look at him as an option.
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Just thinking the same thing. I suppose a lot depends on the new coaching staff and GM. Not that I can see Chip Kelly in KC but it all depends on who's calling the shots. For me, Mike Zimmer. Chiefs have a fairly massive issue with the number one pick. Branden Albert is a FA but letting him go to draft Luke Joeckel seems a mistake. Its addition by subtraction. Plus they have Winston at RT so unlikely to kick Albert across. They have Hali and Houston at OLB and whilst you can never get enough pass rushers, you have to be looking at that pick and weeping. Star Lotulelei is a possibility. But they drafted Dontari Poe a year ago. Horrible situation.
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I do agree with you on letting Branden Albert walk and drafting Luke Joeckel to replace him, but for a different reason. The Chiefs have been working with Donald Stephenson at left tackle for five games now. He's played no worse than Jon Martin has. Stephenson was bad in this last game against Dwight Freeney but then that's Dwight Freeney, and Martin was also atrocious against Aldon Smith. The two have generally been mediocre in other games. I think if the Chiefs are letting Branden Albert walk it wouldn't be to turn around and take Luke Joeckel. I think it would be like the Dolphins allowing Jake Long to walk...they do it because they already have the replacement on roster.
I could see them still going after Star Lotulelei even with Dontari Poe, though. A new GM is likely to view the moves of the last GM very skeptically (i.e. "I'm here for a reason"). Tyson Jackson is probably the lowest hanging fruit as far as a defensive lineman that the Chiefs drafted that has really not been good on the balance of his career there. Arguably he had a good year last year but in every other year, not really very good. If Star Lotulelei is the Haloti Ngata type player he's purported to be then his position doesn't really conflict with Dontari Poe's so much, as Dontari is a straight nose for that defense. When Glenn Dorsey gets healthy he could resume his spot at Right End while a Star Lotulelei takes Tyson Jackson's spot at Left End and Dontari Poe plays the nose.
But then also given the presence of Tamba Hali and Justin Houston, they could consider moving Hali into a down position and using Houston like the Broncos use Von Miller. Derrick Johnson would certainly fit into Wesley Woodyard's role. They could then justify pairing Lotulelei and Poe in the middle while moving Glenn Dorsey out to the outside to play a spot similar to Derek Wolfe.
You're not going to like it but they should just draft Matt Barkley, IMO. -
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Specifically I mean Geno Smith and Stedman Bailey. It should not be overlooked that Geno has been Stedman's QB since high school.
Part of the production you see in Saturdays from Stedman Bailey is the result of many years of chemistry and familiarity.
How does Bailey look with a different QB? A new QB? How long does it take him to click the same way?
Honestly, it's a very minor concern and I still am more impressed by Bailey than any WR I've watched from this class this far.
But, eyes wide open, I don't draft Stedman Bailey until I get him and Tannehill on a practice field together to throw and catch.Boomer likes this. -
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In fact, whoever takes Geno Smith in the first has a good chance of targeting Bailey in the 2nd IMO.
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Could be pretty difficult for the Chiefs and Jaguars to try and trade down. They'll likely just have to go ahead and make their picks. -
Or if you want to get really technical, they should also consider allowing their time limit to lapse and wait on a player. -
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Then again, if whoever is drafting for KC in April doesn't really care if Mel Kiper calls their pick bad value, then that person can make whatever selection they want thanks to the rookie wage scale, as you say. -
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I think Austin can go as high as the Vikings pick. If they are serious about dealing Harvin they need to replace him.
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So been watching Austin and MY GOODNESS writing does him no justice. You have to see him play. He is Sproles/Harvin rolled together. Biggest playmaker in this draft. Please don't let Patriots get him. Tape doesn't lie about Austin. Man is he explosive.