Ted Ginn...Hall of Fame bound..

HAHA I thought you were starting a flame thread Padre.

Ive never been to the HOF but it seems as though it is getting crowded with a lot of garbage for records that seem to really have no significance. I mean lets be honest, hes tied with 7 other people. Last year I remember Ronnie's jersey from the Pats game getting retired for the "Wildcat" and tieing the record of having 3 rushing scores and 1 passing score in a game.
While it's cool to see Dolphins stuff in the HOF, the records seem to be getting ridiculous.

They should just expand on the space allocated to a certain 1972 team.

ha ha.

Would be sad if he makes it there one day as a member of another team though.
I dont think we have to worry about that though.

"JimToss wrote:

HAHA I thought you were starting a flame thread Padre.

Ive never been to the HOF but it seems as though it is getting crowded with a lot of garbage for records that seem to really have no significance. Last year I remember Ronnie's jersey from the Pats game getting retired for the "Wildcat" and tieing the record of having 3 rushing scores and 1 passing score in a game.
While it's cool to see Dolphins stuff in the HOF, the records seem to be getting ridiculous.

Should should just expand on the space allocated to a certain 1972 team.

The NFL/MLB/NBA and NHL all have a temprature controlled Reserve Library for when they need to display certain memoribillia. For instance, if the Phins get a HOFer this year, Ginns shoe may be on display with other Phins Memoribillia.

http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/11/10/if-you-damage-this-i-will-beat-your-skull-in-with-it-cooperstown-field-trip-report/

I love it!

His jersey is already there since he was the first NFL player to score a TD in Britain during a regular season game.

Funny and ironic. Grats to Ginn for making the HOF. I must say watching him make those two returns brought goosebumps to my entire body.

"Frumundah Finnatic wrote:

His jersey is already there since he was the first NFL player to score a TD in Britain during a regular season game.

:lol: New motto for Ted Ginn: "It's the little things..."

That's pretty cool... however I expected an entire different conversation here when I clicked the link. :lol:

"JimToss wrote:

HAHA I thought you were starting a flame thread Padre.

Ive never been to the HOF but it seems as though it is getting crowded with a lot of garbage for records that seem to really have no significance. I mean lets be honest, hes tied with 7 other people. Last year I remember Ronnie's jersey from the Pats game getting retired for the "Wildcat" and tieing the record of having 3 rushing scores and 1 passing score in a game.
While it's cool to see Dolphins stuff in the HOF, the records seem to be getting ridiculous.

They should just expand on the space allocated to a certain 1972 team.

He had 4 rushing TD's and 1 Passing TD.

that is what the HOF is for. since time and memorial.

"Frumundah Finnatic wrote:

His jersey is already there since he was the first NFL player to score a TD in Britain during a regular season game.

thats not true. he scored with 2 mins left in the 4th quarter...Eli had already had his bootleg run for a TD at that point

edit:

YouTube- Ted Ginn Jr's 1st NFL TD

Cheapens the Hall of Fame as far as I'm concerned. One small shot of greatness should not be what the Hall is about. By comparison, they won't induct Kooch, which is ridiculous.

I bet Bill Belichick is behind this. He didn't want Ginn to be wearing his lucky shoes.

"cdz12250 wrote:

Cheapens the Hall of Fame as far as I'm concerned. One small shot of greatness should not be what the Hall is about. By comparison, they won't induct Kooch, which is ridiculous.

They've always gotten memorabilia from great performances and great games, as well as inducting players who had great careers. The NFL's history is about more than just a handful of players each year, it is the culmination of those players, the rare athletic feats and production from a given game/season, and the awesome battles waged on any given Sunday.

This in no way cheapens the HOF as it was a rare feat (seeing as it was the 1st time it ever happened). For arguments sake there are plenty of all-pro Gs in the HOF. Not like Kooch would've been the 1st. One could argue the induction of Kooch cheapens the HOF as much as the induction of this spectacular moment from a game (though in reality neither cheapen the HOF, it helps illustrate how rich in history this league is).

"cdz12250 wrote:

Cheapens the Hall of Fame as far as I'm concerned. One small shot of greatness should not be what the Hall is about. By comparison, they won't induct Kooch, which is ridiculous.

I get your beef about certain players not being inducted that should, but I don't see how honoring great single game accomplishments cheapens the Hall of Fame. Though I've never been I'm sure the baseball hall of fame is full of famous home run balls and the like. I don't hear anybody complaining about that. It's not just about memorable players, it's about memorable games. I know that someday when I finally get around to visiting Canton, I'll appreciate seeing Ronnie's jersey and Ginn's shoe. Just my opinion.

"Stitches wrote:

They've always gotten memorabilia from great performances and great games, as well as inducting players who had great careers. The NFL's history is about more than just a handful of players each year, it is the culmination of those players, the rare athletic feats and production from a given game/season, and the awesome battles waged on any given Sunday.

This in no way cheapens the HOF as it was a rare feat (seeing as it was the 1st time it ever happened). For arguments sake there are plenty of all-pro Gs in the HOF. Not like Kooch would've been the 1st. One could argue the induction of Kooch cheapens the HOF as much as the induction of this spectacular moment from a game (though in reality neither cheapen the HOF, it helps illustrate how rich in history this league is).

One could argue it, but it wouldn't be a winner in my book. The Hall of Fame is a shrine, not Ripley's Believe It Or Not/Canton. It is meant to enshrine the kind of character, persistence and consistency that become greatness and reflect positively on the game, not cases of first impression that amount to happenstance and are little more than oddities in the grand scheme of the game.

The possibilities of things happening for the first time on a football field are close to infinite, but that doesn't mean that we should enshrine each new one as greatness. By comparison, someone like Kooch has the kind of career-long achievements that should be enshrined by recognition as a HOF player. The fact that others have achieved greatness at the same position does not take away from the merit of another individual who deserves to be in the same company.

To recognize a stellar player as another one of the greats could never cheapen the Hall. To enshrine a one-time achievement by an otherwise forgettable player who had one very good game, in my personal opinion, does. But hey -- I'm just another spectator. I don't get to judge who or what goes in the Hall. Just thinking out loud and rooting for Kooch.

"cdz12250 wrote:

One could argue it, but it wouldn't be a winner. The Hall of Fame is a shrine, not Ripley's Believe It Or Not/Canton. It is meant to enshrine the kind of character, persistence and consistency that become greatness and reflect positively on the game, not cases of first impression that amount to happenstance and are little more than oddities in the grand scheme of the game.

The possibilities of things happening for the first time on a football field are close to infinite, but that doesn't mean that we should enshrine each new one as greatness. By comparison, someone like Kooch has the kind of career-long achievements that should be enshrined by recognition as a HOF player. The fact that others have achieved greatness at the same position does not take away from the merit of another individual who deserves to be in the same company. To recognize a stellar player as another one of the greats could never cheapen the Hall. To enshrine a one-time achievement by an otherwise forgettable player who had one very good game, in my personal opinion, does. But hey -- I'm just another spectator.

Wrong, or at least not entirely right.

The Pro Football HOF Mission Statement:

Mission Statement
The Mission of the Pro Football Hall of Fame is:
To honor, preserve, educate and promote. . .

-To honor individuals who have made outstanding contributions to professional football
-To preserve professional football’s historic documents and artifacts
-To educate the public regarding the origin, development and growth of professional football as an important part of American culture
-To promote the positive values of the sport

Adding to what is at the HOF:

Inside the Hall
The Hall represents its sport in a great many colorful and entertaining ways. Visitors entering the museum are greeted by a seven-foot bronze statue of Jim Thorpe, considered a legend of pro football dating back to his days with the Canton Bulldogs in the early 1900s.

After ascending a ramp to the second floor, guests learn about the first century of pro football in the exhibition rotunda. Memorabilia, video, and audio bring to life the development of the game from 1892 to 1992. The next stop is the Teams of the NFL Exhibition Area which pays tribute to the current 32 clubs.

Perhaps the most emotional stop during a tour of the museum is the Hall of Fame Gallery which houses the bronze bust of each enshrinee. Completion of the renovated gallery occurred in 2003 and now offers visitors the opportunity to learn about each member of the Hall through touch screen kiosks that include bios, photos, and video on the inductees.

The Pro Football Adventure Room examines the many other pro leagues that have challenged the NFL since its founding in 1920.

The new Moments, Memories & Mementos Gallery focuses on the achievements made by the members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. High-tech video, audio and lighting help bring the treasued artifacts to life in dynamic fashion. The all-new Pro Football Today Gallery examines contemporary themes in the NFL. This area is filled with mementos from recent history-making performances. Also new to this gallery is an area devoted to a changing travling exhibit.

The Super Bowl Room recaps the 42 Super Bowls played to date, exhibits the Super Bowl rings, and displays several pieces of memorabilia from the game as well as the entertainment that has helped shape the game into a global event.

GameDay Stadium, a turntable theater featuring a 20’x42’ Cinemascope screen was a first in sports when built as part of the Hall’s massive expansion in 1995.

As visitors leave the exhibit level of the Hall and return to the ground floor, they enter into an interactive area that includes a Teletrivia game, Call-the-Play-Theater, a throwing cage, an all-new Madden EA Sports video game display and other exhibits such as a display devoted to officiating. A recent addition to this area is a display that chronicles the 20-year history of the Arena Football League.

Nowhere in the mission statement would the inclusion of Ted Ginn's cleats cheapen what they are trying to do. It specifically fits with one of their galleries.

Everyone knows the busts are the most important part of the HOF, but it is not the only part of the this HISTORY of pro football. Plenty of important moments have happened with essentially no-names, that does not and should not, discount the accomplishments of those particular players for those specific moments. They are all important, and help make pro football what it is.

individual performances have to be celebrated at sports hall of fames, not just careers. Tom Dempsey's field goal was in the hall of fame. it was a field goal for christ's sake. any single game performance that is one for the ages should be celebrated and remembered

Having said that, Kooch and many other Dolphins should be in the hall

PS: Pat Swilling is more deserving of the HOF than Kuechenberg. :tongue2:

There's no outcry from him though because he played on bad teams.

"cdz12250 wrote:

One could argue it, but it wouldn't be a winner in my book. The Hall of Fame is a shrine, not Ripley's Believe It Or Not/Canton. It is meant to enshrine the kind of character, persistence and consistency that become greatness and reflect positively on the game, not cases of first impression that amount to happenstance and are little more than oddities in the grand scheme of the game.

The possibilities of things happening for the first time on a football field are close to infinite, but that doesn't mean that we should enshrine each new one as greatness. By comparison, someone like Kooch has the kind of career-long achievements that should be enshrined by recognition as a HOF player. The fact that others have achieved greatness at the same position does not take away from the merit of another individual who deserves to be in the same company.

To recognize a stellar player as another one of the greats could never cheapen the Hall. To enshrine a one-time achievement by an otherwise forgettable player who had one very good game, in my personal opinion, does. But hey -- I'm just another spectator. I don't get to judge who or what goes in the Hall. Just thinking out loud and rooting for Kooch.

Ginn's not getting a bust and a speech, jeez. the NFL wants to celebrate all the great things that has happened in the league, and a player having two 100+ yard touchdowns in one game is a pretty great thing that's never been done before.

not only in one game...freakin back to back. add in to that how hard everyone was comin down on him that week? pretty epic.

isnt that what "record books" are for?

ftr...i think the ronnie jersey in the hof cause of the wildcat is dumb also.

"SICK wrote:

thats not true. he scored with 2 mins left in the 4th quarter...Eli had already had his bootleg run for a TD at that point

edit:

YouTube- Ted Ginn Jr's 1st NFL TD

Then it must be because he had the first catch for a TD in Britain, I guess its hard to remember these things when you try to repress the memories of such a terrible season.

"Frumundah Finnatic wrote:

Then it must be because he had the first catch for a TD in Britain, I guess its hard to remember these things when you try to repress the memories of such a terrible season.

how about you guys read the article that tells you why he has a jersey in there for that game.
it says they got a jersey from each team. the dolphins submitted ginn's jersey because he was the only dolphin to score a TD in that game.

his deal is simple:
return all punts & kicks
use on offense as an occasional
deep threat & end runs

it is what it is:
he'll have to run his way into the Hall of Fame
if he's ever going to get there