"Tebow is better than you" would be way more insulting. Or "Your mom goes to college"

 

Well, it's true.

 

I think that the world would be a better place if professional athletes were allowed to have one free swing at an obnoxious fan per year.

 

while I agree, Manziel needs to learn how to deal with heckling just like other high profile athletes.

 

Just one?

This is a pretty sad story really. I'm sure the "fan" yelling at Manziel probably also had one of his buddies recording a video on his phone in an attempt to get Manziel to react and do something he could later go after him for a quick pay day on, or a few minutes in the spotlight. It's sad that's what the world has come to.

I get it, heckling happens all the time for pro athletes and they have to handle it, but most of the time it's just borderline ridiculous.

 

He actually was better at both levels

 

He's got to realize he brought a large share of the sh*t he catches upon himself. He's too cocky for a guy who hasn't done anything...Heisman trophies don't count at this level.

He's a jackass, and was treated in kind.

 

He calls himself johnny football. You think people aren't going to get in your face with a nickname like that?

 

IF things played out the way Johnny's "friend" (i.e. paid member of his entourage) said they did, then there's pretty much no reason Johnny couldn't have nipped the whole thing in the bud by just telling event security that the guy in question was heckling and being disruptive. The guy would have been escorted out or told that if he says another word he's gone. And that would have been it.

But instead Johnny Football decides to throw a water bottle at the guy? You don't do that. What if it had hit him? What if it had hit some innocent bystander or some young kid?

This "friend" (i.e. paid member of his entourage) claims that Johnny was 20 yards away from the kid and that the bottle was empty and that he threw it to the ground not at the kid. Bull sh-t. An actual witness told the police it was a 32 ounce water bottle that was 3/4ths full and the bottle hit a brick wall. If you're 20 yards away and you throw a plastic bottle with 1.5 pounds of water hard enough that it clears the 20 yards and hits a wall first instead of the ground, then that projectile could have hurt someone. No doubt about it whatsoever.

If the events transpired the way the "friend" said they did, I just don't get how Johnny allowed it to continue to that point. He could have had the guy removed at any time.

The thing that pisses me off about the story so much is how blatantly Johnny's friend lied on his behalf. It means he's still surrounding himself with enablers who insulate him from the truth. An objective witness tells the police something entirely different from what this "friend" tells them, and the rest of the "friend's" story sounds embellished to all hell. I'm surprised he didn't twist it into the kid having thrown a glass bottle at Johnny and missing so bad that it was about to hit an infant and Johnny stepping in front of the baby to protect it from harm, sacrificing his body to be a hero. Then the part from his agent about Johnny having been back from church that day.

 

From a Texas A&M perspective "Tannehill was better" is an insult as Manziel played better on the college level. From our POV at the pro level it's not close. Manziel was a horrid NFL prospect and will never be more than a sideshow. Tebow was better on both levels and while both are a distraction, Tebow has always been a class act.

As for the current dust-up, minor as it is, Manziel has to grow up. (I wonder how long we'll keep saying that). He'll always be a target (largely of his own making). The fan was probably a jerk and probably at fault, but when you're the celeb you'll face all kinds. He'll either learn not to react or continue to make stupid headlines off the field.

 

You answer a heckler by throwing a 1.5 pound projectile at him from 20 yards away and then having your friends lie about it to the police.

I think you nailed it. He needs to "grow up".

 

That is what I was thinking.

Yes it is immature that he threw a bottle at a person yelling at him. As a quarterback it is sad that he missed. especially only 20 yards out.

 

How does the Four Seasons allow this to happen? Pretty damn embarrassing.

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Both Manziel and Tannehill have the same career playoff stats.

 

That 18 year old needs to go join NFL Network. He'd be the best analyst there.

 

That seems to be the motto by Dolphins fans ever since Tannehill has been drafted on this website which is a weak argument.

49ers dont win those Super Bowls without Joe Montana.
patriots dont win without Brady.
packers dont win that Super Bowl without Aaron.
colts dont win without Manning.
New Orleans dont win without Brees.

Neither of the above make it to the playoff on thos seasons without those quarterbacks. Quarterback play is the most important part of making the playoffs .

Go ahead make a Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer reference, the two times in the modern era where a franchise quarterback didnt lead the team to the playoffs/super bowl. That will help you.

 

And none of those QBs make it to the playoffs without the teams they had either. QB play may be a big part, but it won't get you there alone. Pointing to Manzeil's and Tannehill's playoff record is the mother of weak arguments.

 

So do you...anybody offering you an extension?

 

His point wasn't genuinely asserting that Manziel and Tannehill are equal so much as reminding us that as much as we'd like to laugh at the Browns for their QB misadventures, our own quarterback has not proven a whole lot yet.

Sort of like how I remind people when we like to make fun of the Jets quarterback situation that it's tough for us to do that when we made Geno Smith look PERFECT in Week 17. We absolutely made Geno Smith look better than Ryan Tannehill that game and so it's tough for us to get a big head about things laughing at the Jets for their QB situation.

I mean to say, I get the point. But the fact remains to date Manziel and Tannehill aren't even comparable as NFL players. One is a flipping disaster and the other just got a $100 million extension. And not an extension that other GMs don't understand, either. It's not like they're coming out of the woodwork anonymously saying "What the hell were the Dolphins thinking?!?"

 

Ya I get that...but I see it a little differently...my saying Vert has the same record also, was to show how equally irrelevant it is to comparing they're playoff records.

Also, RT has shown more at this point, which I don't disregard because the TEAM hasn't made the playoffs. RT was certainly part of the "why" his first year...less so, but also his second year...not his third IMO.

 

Oh really? Baltimore made it to the playoffs... and won a game!

Yards Passing;
Tannehill= 4,045
Flacco = 3,986

Completion %;
Tannehill = 66.4
Flacco = 62.1

Touchdowns;
Tannehill= 27
Flacco = 27

Interceptions;
Tannehill = 12
Flacco = 12

Passer Rating;
Tannehill = 92.8
Flacco - 91.0


But wait a second.. Lets look at the TEAM defenses;
Miami = 373 Points allowed (23.3 PPG), rated 20th in the league
Baltimore = 302 points allowed (18.9 PPG), Rated 6th in the league.

Hmm, nothing to separate the QB play, but other aspects of the teams don't match up at all. You know the aspects where Tannehill isn't even on the field.
But you're probably right, a good defense has nothing to do with making the playoffs...

 

Motto and reality

 

That whole issue of the team making the playoffs, etc...it's just not a simple issue.

Yes it takes an entire TEAM to make the playoffs and to do more than just make the playoffs. But the fact remains that the quarterback is the biggest part of the TEAM and it's not even really close. The quarterback is between 3x to 10x more important as any other position on the field, depending on how good the players in question are. Does anyone doubt that Peyton Manning is worth 8 to 10 other above average starters on a team?

Fact of the matter is this whole team argument being used in defense of Tannehill would sound a lot more reasonable if the Dolphins offense hadn't been 27th in points scored in 2012 and 26th in points scored back in 2013. They jumped to 11th in points scored in 2014, which is great, but we've got to see it happen again.

The last 10 offenses that Tom Brady led all ranked in the top 11 in points scored. The average ranking was 5.8. Even his first three years as starter I believe they ranked 17, 19 and 20, something like that. Peyton Manning has never led an offense that ranked worse than 19th in points scored and that was as a true rookie. His career average is a 5.3 ranking and he's only ever been out of the top 10 in 3 of 16 seasons. The lowest ranked offense Dan Marino EVER led was 17th in 1988. His offenses' average rankings hovered around 9.1.

And I get the excuses about receivers or offensive linemen or bad offensive coordinators, yadda yadda yadda. But you don't think that, in all that time, neither Brady nor Manning nor Marino has ever had a bad coordinator or some bad weapons around them, or some tough breaks from an injury standpoint? I'm positive they have.

Fact of the matter is the Dolphins the last two seasons have been good enough to make that push over the hump to get in the playoffs...IF the quarterback was actually playing like a top level quarterback. They were an 8-8 team in both seasons and their quarterback kind of looked like an 8-8 quarterback if we are being completely one hundred percent honest with one another. They didn't look like a 5-11 team with an 11-5 quarterback like some of the San Diego Chargers or Dallas Cowboys teams we've seen over the last 5 years.

In both years just one or two more wins would have gotten Miami into the playoffs, and you can't tell me Tannehill couldn't have possibly gotten those one or two more wins.

 

You are holding him up to 3 of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. He will never be any good in your eyes if that is going to be your measuring stick.

I don't think anyone is saying he will EVER be an all time great. Tannehill can be at the top of the current day second tier quarterbacks, that is his ceiling. And considering there are a 3rd and 4th tier of starting QB's. That's pretty good.

 

Totally agree with everything you said.

I get blasted when I mention that Ryan Tannehill needs to step up his game and lead us to the playoffs.

 

2 of the 3. One of them is a compulsive CHEATER.

 

Drew Brees has missed the playoffs the last 2/3 years too, despite putting up incredible numbers.

 

Right, I get that. But Drew Brees has also led the 3rd best scoring offense in the NFL when they missed the playoffs in 2012, and he led the 9th best scoring offense (1st in yardage) in 2014 this year as well.

When you're watching Ryan Tannehill lead the 27th, 26th and 11th best scoring offenses in the NFL...why would any rational person believe that the same argument applies to both guys the same way?

 

okay...P Manning doesn't win his lone superbowl victory without his defense playing above and beyond their normal capabilities. Whenever P Manning has to carry his team, he ultimately fails in the playoffs. It's a team sport.

 

Everybody agrees that Tannehill needs to continue to improve. And he has been improving every year. But reality is that when you draft a very raw QB you have to understand that he's starting at a disadvantage. You expect he'll overcome that disadvantage or you wouldn't have drafted him, but it's obviously going to take time. And when you throw in some pretty horrific protection issues it's simply not reasonable to think he'll overcome them right out of the gate. If Tannehill makes the next jump to a top 5 QB then, yes, he would probably be good enough to overcome the protection issues and possibly make the playoffs despite a disappearing defense. But a top 10 - 15 QB (but not top 5) isn't going to take a team to the playoffs all by himself. Before the season I predicted that Tannehill would put up top 15 numbers for the year but would be playing at a top 10 level after he adjusted to the offense. I also said that might be good enough to get us to the playoffs if the defense was also good (top 10 or so). I don't believe it's reasonable to be disappointed with how Tannehill has played thus far. I think that if I had guaranteed three years ago that Tannehill would be a still improving top 10 - 15 QB after three seasons that most would have signed up for that instantly. My goals for him are obviously higher. I expect he takes another step this year and becomes an unquestioned top 10 and maybe a top 5-7 guy. But I don't think it's reasonable to complain about how Tannehill has played thus far or to blame him for the team not making the playoffs.

 

I'm not getting into yet another Ryan Tannehill argument. It's a TRAP! LOL

 

That's all well and good, if you expect first-ballot HoF'er or GTFO. Would love to have it...but I don't see them banging down any doors looking for a job. I think he can become elite...in another 3 years and some consistency in the system, I'm counting on it. I say that because I think he's very close to if not elite in some areas of his game already, but the not-so-good aspects overshadow it by a good bit. This year, he's one year experience in their system, so he's in a MUCH better position to lead the offense than he was last year, and he had a damn fine year LAST year.

He needs to get used to winning...demand wins...expect wins...he's shown flickers of that type of leadership, he needs to stoke that sh*t up. I wish I wasn't so damn optimistic all the time, but I am...he'll be the best QB in the AFCE in 2015. If he's not, or at least doesn't show significant improvement over last year (which I fully expect) then I give up.

On a related note: I'm so GD tired of Tom Brady.......so tired.......can somebody kidnap him and hide him in Botswana?

 

Sigh.

 

Tannehills career projector so far is better than where Drew Brees was after his first three seasons. Some QBs take time to get to the next level. Tanny isn't anywhere near elite right now, but that doesn't mean he can never be. At worst he's an above average QB. You can win with that kind of QB IMO.

 

If Tannehill can start pushing the ball down the field without throwing a lot of INTs or losing the good completion percentage he has, he will have done plenty.

I totally agree with everything that CKP said, however it's crazy to expect a 1st or 2nd year guy to lift the team on his back. Andrew Luck does that. With enough opportunities, we've seen Russell Wilson do that. Ryan Tannehill is trying to be a traditional QB however and it's hard to be the best guy on the field when you have such minimal experience.

Last year, Tannehill showed that he can pass the small ball test. Chad Pennington did the same thing. That wins regular season games and maybe gets you into the Play-offs if your running game and defense are good. Miami's wasn't and so they floundered at 8-8.

I'm not mad at Tannehill for that. He pretty much did what he was asked to do.

That said, I fully expect the coaches to challenge Tannehill more this season with the kinds of throws and kinds of gameplans that don't protect the QB or try and keep INTs to a minimum. I think that's why they improved the weapons around him.

 

Go ahead, compare Tannehill to John Beck, after all they have the same playoff record.