No way would I want to double up. Especially if it involved CKap, which would require our first round pick (or the earlier of the two if we're able to trade back).

Obviously, I want Ryan Mallett, but I keep forgetting Brian Daboll is our new OC.

Colt McCoy has the same exact measurables as TT, so one has to wonder why he couldn't work the same magic here (with a better prospect). We have better everything than Cleveland did, with the exception of runningback. In all fairness, Peyton Hillis had to do a lot with Cleveland's late-season competitiveness, but one has to wonder what Mark Ingram in the first and TT in the 3rd or 4th would make our Dabollian offense like.

I've had a lot of love-interests... it began with Locker, then Newton, now Mallett... I'm not ready to get off the Mallett-wagon yet, but I love the prospect of TT.

Do it up.

 

Jeez, these people never seem to learn.

 

Learn what? Running through the motions? :wink2:

 

Yeah... seeing as I've gotten somewhere between 30 and 40% of the board to join my Church of Mallett, I can't accurately be known as "The Ryan Mallett Guy" anymore. Maybe I should be "I think TT can be an NFL QB Guy" :headscratch:

 

Taylor is ok but taking him reminds me too much of taking Pat White. No thanks and especially when I'd rather have another VT player, Ryan Williams wayyyyy before Taylor.

 

Well Williams will go in Round 2. Taylor in 3-5.

What's your plan for round 1?

I'm not as much a fan of trading down as most, as I think it's settling for mediocrity. We have a lot of good pieces and I think wild card is possible with a good offseason... We need to get the most out of #15.

If we take anyone other than Newton, Mallett, Gabbert or Ingram at 15, I'll be pretty pissed. If it's Ingram, I want TT later..or Locker if he somehow fell. Actually, dream scenario would be one of the QBs (probably Mallett or Locker) falling into the 2nd after we took Ingram and then us trading up into the 2nd to nab him.

...But yeah, I wouldn't be upset with TT. I think Daboll could make him a star.

 

....as a wide receiver?

 

[video=youtube;bGNfNjNKflA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGNfNjNKflA[/video]

To quote Stewie Griffin: "Those goosebumps will go away in about twenty minutes."

 

Yeah, White was surely a reach but seeing how Miami does not have a second and if they really want to draft a Qb, I'd look at Pat Devlin late.

As for the 1st pick, I'd like to see them trade back if they can. That's a lot easier said than done though. But the reason is because there is a lot of value in the 2nd round this year. If they don't drop too far back they still might be able to get Ingram or a Leshoure.

All the players you mentioned are fine in my book so if they cannot trade back and get one of them, I'm good.

I just don't see Newton or Gabbert lasting past pick 10, and I know you're high on Mallett but I'd have to think long and hard to take him or Ingram.

I know I've been pretty consistant saying I'm not sold on Chad Henne but I'm sure I've been even more consistant on how much I value running the football. However, if Julio Jones somehow gets past the Rams, I'd take him over Mallett or Ingram.

 

I don't think Tony Sparano and Jeff Ireland would be long for the Miami Dolphins if Colin Kaepernick AND Tyrod Taylor are both drafted. I think Tyrod Taylor could be a Brad Smith type of player, but IMO, the Wildcat died a painful death last year and will continue to be dead until another triggerman is found.

 

Colt McCoy is a better QB than you appear to give credit for, IMO.

 

My only problem with taking Taylor is that I don't think he beats out Chad Henne (surely not this season) so taking him is basically taking one more Wildcat option and I personally think I'd rather steal Smith from the Jets. He's good in the wildcat, and even better returning kicks.

 

Hurricane fans should know plenty about Taylor. He's solid but I'd rather take a shot at a Pat Devlin late in the draft.

 

Close.

Both were elite college players that were projected to fail in the NFL.

It's my belief, however, that TT is a better prospect, had an inferior team around him and is being pegged lower than McCoy was.

I remember some saying McCoy could go in the mid to late first, and he ended up going in round 3. There are people saying TT will go undrafted; that's insane. Based on potential alone, he should go in round 3, and I think that's where we should take him. That's not to say that that is where I feel his ceiling is, rather, that is what the market has dictated his price to be--let's not overpay.

 

I mean, what was Pat White's production as the triggerman? I think he was 0-5 passing and had like 21 runs for 81 yards (33 of which came on one play). I'd like to think Tyrod Taylor could do better than - at best I think he'd be like Brad Smith is to the Jets, but IMO, the Wildcat with a player like Pat White or Tyrod Taylor is basically a gimmick.

To make it effective, you need someone like Ronnie Brown that can essentially take the snap and run the Power O, the Iso, traps, etc. and churn out yardage; in essence, making it simply a power running formation as it was in 2008. Yeah, you can do some things out of it as Chad Pennington did and Miami tried to do with Brandon Marshall last year. Tyrod Taylor makes those plays better, but if you're simply making the formation fit around him, I think that's a waste of a pick and that the formation won't work...

...unless you couple that with a runningback to the the triggerman as Ronnie Brown was. IMO, to take Tyrod Taylor and use that formation, you have to get a player who can run it normally, such as Mark Ingram or re-signing Ronnie Brown. Tyrod Taylor by himself in that formation is Pat White part II, and he's certainly not going to challenge for a regular quarterback job any time soon, if ever, with his accuracy issues.

Personally, I think I'd rather make a run at Brad Smith, and that way you can at least use him as a WR and KR in addition to the Wildcat, not just for the Wildcat, as that's not maximizing your resources. Just my two cents. Now, Tyrod Taylor as an UDFA? Why the hell not?

 

If we took Mark Ingram in round 1? Absolutely.

I think we'd be ready to compete. A tight end would be nice, but we can find one later... maybe Virgil Green. I doubt DJ Williams would still be there.

 

Wonder how his #'s from the Combine stack up with Brad Smith's? Another component I think that killed the Wildcat last year was the fact that not a single one of our interior OL were adept at pulling. They made Justin Smiley look like a Hall of Famer in that regard. I'd love to get Mike Pouncey to play LG or C to help the interior OL.

 

Tyrod Taylor

Brad Smith

 

I don’t fallow the comparison here. I don’t recall McCoy being projected to fail in the NFL, nor is Tyrod Taylor an “elite” college player. Good, but not elite.

Again, I don’t follow the comparison here. I think you’re overhyping Taylor a little bit, but I also don’t see why McCoy has to be thrown under the bus to make Taylor look better. Just seems a very strange comparison.

And yes, Taylor does have a strong chance of going undrafted. I agree that it’s ridiculous, but it’s true. I’d use a 6th round pick on the guy and give Thigpen the bird.

 

The comparison is made for two reasons:

1) Because the main knock on both was their (lack of) height. They were both great in college. There's no doubt. Some of the draftniks just get into the mindset of "Oh well Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers are tall, so that means you have to be tall to be a successful QB".

2) Because the common denominator here is Brian Daboll. Both QB's are mobile, hard working and capable passers. He made it work with McCoy, he can make it work with Taylor. It's just a matter of, is the FO willing to take a shot on him after Pat White. Sometimes good business decisions aren't good PR decisions; naturally a large portion of the fanbase would be upset.





As for McCoy failing, here is a clip from Walterfootball, one of the, if not the, best draft site:

 

This is absolutely more of a draftnik thing than a real concern. Drew Brees is shorter than both McCoy and Taylor.

See, there’s the inference again. You make it sound like Daboll had to make chicken salad out of chicken s*** with McCoy. That’s not the case. McCoy bailed Daboll and the Browns out multiple times, especially in those wins against the Patriots and Saints. Daboll if anything was a little too reliant on Peyton Hillis.

And yes, I’ve actually forced myself to watch Browns games for the GM League, so I know what I’m talking about here. :lol:

Walter Football is something of a bad joke, IMO. They rely too much on measurements and Combine/pro day numbers, as your quotes attest.

 

Do you have any idea who the Cleveland receivers were? Neither does anyone else lol

(I obviously know who they are, but they're awful. MoMa and Robiskie are both busts)

We haven't seen any of McCoy in the NFL without Daboll and we haven't seen Daboll work with any mobile QBs other than McCoy, so only time will tell. In either case, I think mobility is key to success (especially when the o-line is subpar).

Thankfully, this class of QBs is full of QBs that can move.

 

McCoy gets little help from the guys he’s supposed to throw to, absolutely. That’s why Hillis had 60 catches. :lol:

You can look at Seneca Wallace’s brief starting tenure in Cleveland. Wallace is a QB/WR guy as Tyrod Taylor is projected to be. It… wasn’t pretty. There were some nice moments, but on the whole, McCoy was a big improvement.

 

Umm... that would seem to prove my notion that he gets no help passing. I could throw a screen or dumpoff, bro.

As for Seneca, he put up very similar stats.

 

No mobiles!

 

Lukoil?